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Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

This is a pretty good profile: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/magazine/alex-jones-infow... That disabused me of the notion of Jones as an Evil Genius. He's just an alcohol-and-attention-fueled nut.

> He's just an alcohol-and-attention-fueled nut.

I know a bunch of these, including some in my family. None of them are capable of amassing even the fraction of following of the nut in question.

I am not in agreement with 'just' in that sentence.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

I mean...$4M is definitely a repercussion. But yeah, TBH he should probably spend time in jail.

$4M is a repercussion for spending years making up conspiracy theories and targetting the families of dead children. Also note that this is compensitory damages only, and hasn't even touch on punitive damagers yet.

It has nothing to do with his perjury.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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post #4

So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

A person isn't lying if they think they are telling the truth.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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This is a pretty good profile: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/magazine/alex-jones-infow... That disabused me of the notion of Jones as an Evil Genius. He's just an alcohol-and-attention-fueled nut.

Watching him on Joe Rogan post Sandy-Hook gave me a pause that made me wonder if, under the public persona, there was a genuine human. I can certainly imagine that, if you're getting so heavily rewarded for the OTT absurdity, vitriol and anger, you can eventually get lost in the act. Occam's razor holds true, though. He's just a clown with issues.

Also often times there is some underlying mental illness that carries you there. A lot of people had "funny schitcks" persona for purpose of entertainment - look Stephen Colbert in Colbert report.

But even without strong psych knowledge you can clearly feel if this is a parody/pastiche of particular genre. Alex does not give this vibes. Feels like there is a meta-person luring the physical person into some dark stuff.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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post #4

So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

It's how he became a media personality among right-wingers, make up the most outlandish and inflammatory things to get attention. Plato covered this in the Republic.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

That went terribly for him? $4 million is pocket change for him, he made way more than that off his nonstop lies and conspiracy theories

He has quite a few other pending lawsuits, plus the jury can still find for punitive damages. But you are somewhat correct, filings show that he has spent $15M in legal fees, though his income is around $62M.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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post #4

So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there are perjury charges on the way. Things like that take longer than we would like, but DA’s saw the same stuff we all saw.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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> Maybe then people will learn you don't get to sit there spouting blatant lies without consequence. That is partly true. The ruling class gets to lie with impunity whenever they want, for profit or power. Remember WMDs in Iraq? And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years.

>And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years. To be fair, that statement has always been "if Iran seriously tried to build a nuclear bomb, it'd take them roughly six months to do so." That is probably fairly true, but they've constantly lied about how serious Iran has ever been about building a nuke while using the statement stoke fears.

To be fair, they're probably going the israeli route and have 'turn key' nukes. No way they don't have enough highly enriched material for a bomb or two by now. It's just not in their interest to advertise it.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

A person isn't lying if they think they are telling the truth.

That’s a lie

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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> Maybe then people will learn you don't get to sit there spouting blatant lies without consequence. That is partly true. The ruling class gets to lie with impunity whenever they want, for profit or power. Remember WMDs in Iraq? And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years.

The ruling class gets to lie with impunity whenever they want You seem to be parroting the exact thing that Alex Jones said in his video responding to the $4.2 million verdict. It's simple Whataboutism. The fact is, people's children were murdered. He created and spread a conspiracy theory that the entire event was fake, and that the parents of the murdered children participated in the conspiracy. He admits he was wr…

> It's simple Whataboutism.

No its not in this context because GP responded to a comment that said this will teach people about general principle of 'lying = bad'. GP responded with 'it won't because ..' .

Context here isn't alex jones at all. Its wether this a general teaching moment for 'people' about dangers of lying.

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