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Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by rpwilcox »

jobeyonekenobi wrote: post #72
rpwilcox wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're a learned professional (matching all of the three criteria on the page - one of which is salaried), artist/creative, teacher, law/medicine practioner, or are highly compensated (making > $100,000/year) overtime doesn't apply to you. At least, that's what I got out of the page.

The definition of Overtime is actually getting paid, yes? The law I am referring to over in the E.U is actually working, full stop - paid or not. I am at a position where I am not paid any overtime - I'm still not allowed to be present at work for more than 70 hours a week. Does nothing like this exist in the U.S? As in, you could technically work 168 hours with no legal ramifications?

From the US Department of Labor, Wage and Hour Division: http://www.dol.gov/whd/flsa/

> There is no limit on the number of hours employees 16 years or older may work in any workweek.

So, disregarding overtime, yes: you could technically work 168 hours a week with no legal ramifications.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by kerryfalk »

mgkimsal wrote: post #71
kerryfalk wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building companies as successful as Twitter and Square are also the exception, not the rule.

He didn't build Twitter working this way. He's now managing its current course/growth this way.

He's still building Twitter and Square. Jobs never stopped building Apple.

Building companies goes well beyond building apps.

This comes up frequently on HN and seems to polarize people. The more it polarizes people the more on the fence I seem to find myself. I have worked similar hours split between two companies for four years. At times it sucks and at times it's great. Everyone is different.

From what I have learned from others, exceptional results require exceptional work and passion. Working 16 hours days is how it works for Jack. Ben Hogan was reported to work with a similar ethic when he started his golf career and he's now known among many as the greatest ball striker ever.

To me that's admirable, to others it isn't. Both positions are acceptable.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by n8agrin »

bproper wrote: post #59
antirez wrote: post #51

Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square, 0 hours at life, daily. In other words Jack is free to do whatever he likes, but it is not a good example for most of us. I'll cite a very short poetry by a Sicilian poet called Salvatore Quasimodo: "Everyone stands alone on the heart of the earth / transfixed by a ray of sunshine / and it is suddenly night"

Can anyone from Square or Twitter confirm this work schedule?

I left Twitter about a month ago and would say this is pretty accurate.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by [deleted] »

jobeyonekenobi wrote: post #72
rpwilcox wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're a learned professional (matching all of the three criteria on the page - one of which is salaried), artist/creative, teacher, law/medicine practioner, or are highly compensated (making > $100,000/year) overtime doesn't apply to you. At least, that's what I got out of the page.

The definition of Overtime is actually getting paid, yes? The law I am referring to over in the E.U is actually working, full stop - paid or not. I am at a position where I am not paid any overtime - I'm still not allowed to be present at work for more than 70 hours a week. Does nothing like this exist in the U.S? As in, you could technically work 168 hours with no legal ramifications?

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Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by jes5199 »

bproper wrote: post #59
antirez wrote: post #51

Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square, 0 hours at life, daily. In other words Jack is free to do whatever he likes, but it is not a good example for most of us. I'll cite a very short poetry by a Sicilian poet called Salvatore Quasimodo: "Everyone stands alone on the heart of the earth / transfixed by a ray of sunshine / and it is suddenly night"

Can anyone from Square or Twitter confirm this work schedule?

Well, they don't actually let us follow Jack around all day - we have our own jobs to do. So no, I honestly have no idea how long he's in the office or outside the office doing Square work or at the other company.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by bbhacker »

I think Jack Dorsey is doing an amazing job and it is extraordinary what he has shown at Twitter and Square.

That being said, what we are seeing here is basically "story telling" and "legend building" in action. The same happened when Jeff Immelt took over GE and The story was "Look at that guy! The hardest working GE employee, putting in 100 hours a week. What a leader!" (you can Google it).

While I believe that Jack didn't craft a master plan for this, somebody is certainly putting some effort into building a coherent story that helps Jack but ultimately also Twitter and Square and therefore its investors.

And once again: it get's us talking as well, so I would say: Mission Accomplished.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by mgkimsal »

kerryfalk wrote: post #82
mgkimsal wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't build Twitter working this way. He's now managing its current course/growth this way.

He's still building Twitter and Square. Jobs never stopped building Apple. Building companies goes well beyond building apps. This comes up frequently on HN and seems to polarize people. The more it polarizes people the more on the fence I seem to find myself. I have worked similar hours split between two companies for four years. At times it sucks and at times it's great. Everyone is different. From what I have lear…

Of course it does, but he isn't the only one doing it anymore, and I suspect has a team of people at each company that assists and supports throughout the day, which was likely not the case in the very early days of twitter.

The required mental focus and energy to get one thing "off the ground" - past bootstrapped startup phase - is considerably different from keeping something going - and even growing - once it's hit an operational level that twitter has. I won't profess to know both sides from direct experience, but can see that they're not in the same place they were operationally/financially as they were 4 years ago.

OT: I was probably downvoted by someone who considers Twitter and Facebook as "startups".

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Post by rpwilcox »

[deleted] wrote: post #84
jobeyonekenobi wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The definition of Overtime is actually getting paid, yes? The law I am referring to over in the E.U is actually working, full stop - paid or not. I am at a position where I am not paid any overtime - I'm still not allowed to be present at work for more than 70 hours a week. Does nothing like this exist in the U.S? As in, you could technically work 168 hours with no legal ramifications?

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