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Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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>having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap. Ugh, this reminds me of the people that move from high tax places to low tax places but want all the benefits of high tax places at low cost. Now, back to the main point, if this was searchable it wouldn't exist. The number one complaint people have today is popular places are too busy, too many tourists come and prices go up and it's over ran.…

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to cringe at the lack of self-awareness on the part of the author at the inherent paradox of wanting something highly ranked by google but also quiet, cheap, and slow. Here's a tip for the blog author. Learn a foreign language. Then search google in that foreign language. You might be surprised. Be the change you want to see.

I learned a foreign language (English), I search Google in that foreign language. My browser's language is set in that foreign language. My search parameters are set to only show results in English. I use Google.com, not my localized version of Google. And yet about half the time when I search using keywords (as opposed to long expressions), there are always two or three links in my language (French) in the first page results.

Youtube is worse, I have two YT accounts in English where I only watch videos in English, and Youtube keeps recommending me videos in French that are not relevant at all to my interests (even though most recommendations in English are perfectly relevant). It's as if their AI just saw my IP and decided to recommend to me the most popular French videos of the moment.

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I think eventually more people will realize that the modern web is terrible and they will get fed up with it. People are already building alternatives. There are several situations that could cause Google to lose a foothold as the search behemoth and drive consumers to find alternate ways to find products.

Possible catalysts include: regulation of search or advertising negatively affecting google, an unknown search competitor entering the market, another of the behemoths competing (amazon with search, bing getting their act together, etc.), antitrust suits, insert black swan event here.

I think the pendulum is also swinging towards smaller, local communities. Maybe that's just my bubble. Eventually everyone will get sick of it though, and something will change. I don't think we can predict what will replace it, but I hope it's not another big, centralized source. We've seen the negatives of that.

I don't know how to build it, but to me the ideal Google search killer would be:

1) Decentralized somehow. Hosting search indexes collectively in order to reduce the need for a single entity to host the data. Crypto has this possibility maybe. But I don't know how well it could be implemented, and whether you could have search still be "free" like Google is. How do you solve for that problem?

2) Filters out the SEO spam. Yes, this is a huge problem. My idea to fix it is manual curation. Not scalable. How do you solve that? I think something like StumbleUpon. A curated list of sites that is searchable in its own index. Perhaps there could be a trusted network of curated indexes. Members only to host the curated indexes to keep out the black hats, but free to search for the public at large.

I also think we need to educate everyday users to host their own sites on their own hardware. Making it super simple to spin up a web host in a VM that is running on a laptop in the bedroom. Or off a raspberry pi 0. Or whatever is cheap and available. Turn it off when you need to and the website goes offline. Yes, but that is okay in the interim to get Joe Regular hosting a website independently. Sure it's not okay for a business, but for your hobby site about bonsai trees, why not? Of course this is against most ISP's ToS so how do you solve for that? How do you give Joe Regular the ability to deploy a simple, secure website easily? How do you incentivize them to get out of the walled gardens? Give them a garden of their own.

That was what made the early web (as I knew it in the 90s and 00s) awesome. You were figuring it out on your own. Google/Bing/DuckDuckGo can stick around and be the digital yellow pages. They are good at that.

We need to build a new web for ourselves.

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> Well, I built sort of exactly this: https://search.marginalia.nu/ What's the elevator pitch? What do you actually do that is special? From the about section: > This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of in favor of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed. > The software for this search engine is all custom-…

The point is to surface human websites and discriminate against content mills, click funnels and e-commerce. For one I have a sort of budget for how much javascript I will tolerate. Some is fine, like your standard wordpress config probably will fly, but not much more. I also do a personalized pagerank biased toward the blogosphere. The likelihood your website shows up in the results is directly determined by whether…

> For one I have a sort of budget for how much javascript I will tolerate. Some is fine, like your standard wordpress config probably will fly, but not much more.

What about sites built with React, etc? Like would you be filtering out cool things like Ableton's "Learning Synths"[1] or do you mostly mean third party scripts?

[1] https://learningsynths.ableton.com

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This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

>having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap. Ugh, this reminds me of the people that move from high tax places to low tax places but want all the benefits of high tax places at low cost. Now, back to the main point, if this was searchable it wouldn't exist. The number one complaint people have today is popular places are too busy, too many tourists come and prices go up and it's over ran.…

I saw this happen in Ko Phangan. By pure luck I was there for the first really big Full Moon Party. Watching the beautiful sleepy little town be engulfed by 30,000 locusts was an experience I’ll never forget.

I passed back through a few months later and barely recognised the place. Wooden chalets has given way to hotel rooms and beachside stalls to night clubs.

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As an aside, 15 years ago I spent a week in koh lanta. It was a lovely time and having returned to briefly visit other parts of Thailand in the years since, I am pleasantly surprised to learn that koh lanta still has some of the charm from that long ago. I too look for koh lanta in every beach town I have visited since then

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90% of content writers that I have talked during product validation are using Google to search for writing financial content.

They mirrored the sentiment of the author that search results have gotten significantly worse and do not provide much auxiliary insights. The noise/hit ratio is really high.

Interestingly, Google Search works really well for Stack Overflow.

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This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

There's some mix of people in here who weren't around for or forgot about when Google handled stuff like this brilliantly. In fact, one of the best ways to get search traffic was to write a quality article tackling questions like this. Google was thirsty for answers to the ever-growing number of queries it had never seen before and would shower traffic on anyone who answered them even if it was a bad answer. A good a…

The sobering realization is that a lot of the quality phpbb forums which would answer these questions, and link-juice quality posts, got shuttered a long time ago.

Google could find them on Archive but we both know that's not the business.

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