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Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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You can still lose your partner and you'll always be better off having friends in that case.

If I lose my partner, the best thing I could've done is delight in her company and give her my focus for what was her entire life.

Of course you should do that ideally, but you shouldn't use it to substitute for friends.

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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Personally I'm terrified of having to spend a portion of my life alone. I've spent my adult life (25 years) with a romantic/domestic partner, doing everything together. I don't spend time with friends in the absence of my romantic/domestic partner. Once, during those 25 years, that relationship ended and I lived alone for a while. You should feel free to laugh at me and say this paragraph is hysterical or lacks perspective, seeing I was perfectly free, but it felt like prison. I completely failed to handle it. It is very hard to contemplate the idea of my partner's death in the future, and attempting to live beyond it.

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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One thing I have noticed now, and I'm not sure if its a function of myself and my family being older, is that we feel much less compelled to get together for holidays and other events even though the travel time has remained mostly the same. When I was younger, my family would make it a habit of getting together at least on Christmas and Easter and usually also the 4th of July for a big party. Not everybody lived sup…

I've come to see this as symptom of increased prosperity. When money was tight, people were what provided comfort. Everyone got together to prepare and celebrate. Now that families can afford to pay someone else to do it, we are basically left with a lunch/dinner and some time talking, which doesn't feel far off from old school aristocratic galas. There is little emotional investment beyond 'maintaining the network'…

This is an interesting view on it that I hadn't previously considered. But you're right - whereas before a lot of members of the family would prepare food separately and bring it, now there is a lot of use of catering/prepared food for one-off entrees

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I lose my partner, the best thing I could've done is delight in her company and give her my focus for what was her entire life.

Of course you should do that ideally, but you shouldn't use it to substitute for friends.

Have you ever had a long-term romantic partner whose company you enjoyed so much that you felt tempted to substitute it for that of your friends, and have this feeling continue consistently, over many years?

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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I think something not measured here but potentially important is the amount of acquaintance contact people have.

If you imagine living in a time before high-speed travel and big cities, the people you interacted with day-to-day were basically the same throughout your life. Maybe you weren't "friends" with these people, but just in order to live your life, you would inevitably be bumping into people that you had known in some capacity for years.

Nowadays when we go shopping or for a haircut or whatever, we are mostly interacting with basically anonymous people that we are unlikely to remember even if we do ever see them again.

The level of loneliness we can manage to achieve now seems quite a bit higher than when no matter what you do, just to get food to eat, you're going to have to go see someone who've you known for a decade and make small talk.

Probably not saying this well, but when I imagine day-to-day life in a small village, this seems like one of the most significant differences. It seems like it would be hard to ever go a day not interacting with other people that you knew in some capacity. Now it's so easy you might not even notice when you do it.

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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Whenever I have a family vacation, I can’t help but think how unnatural our present lives are. For thousands of years, we essentially just lived with and around family. Yet now I get to see my entire family for a few days every year. Some cousins I haven’t met in years. The people I spend the most time with everyday are also the people I care the least for - colleagues and acquaintances. I don’t have a solution. But…

If you were around your family all day you'll get over them just like your colleagues. The most unnatural thing about modern life IMO is that we are not doing physical labor all day and instead sit. Whilst also working more.

--edits for my terrible phone

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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post #54

One thing I have noticed now, and I'm not sure if its a function of myself and my family being older, is that we feel much less compelled to get together for holidays and other events even though the travel time has remained mostly the same. When I was younger, my family would make it a habit of getting together at least on Christmas and Easter and usually also the 4th of July for a big party. Not everybody lived sup…

I came across an interesting take on this in the book Algorithms to live by [1]. They argue that old age is a time of exploitation (as in explore/exploit strategy) where we tend to prioritize relations/experiences that we know to be rewarding. At a younger age, we are more accommodating to explore new experiences. That is why a teenager entering a dorm in a new environment full of strangers can get excited while for…

That does not explain why old people of the past organized these, young people of the past helped then and participated in these.

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came across an interesting take on this in the book Algorithms to live by [1]. They argue that old age is a time of exploitation (as in explore/exploit strategy) where we tend to prioritize relations/experiences that we know to be rewarding. At a younger age, we are more accommodating to explore new experiences. That is why a teenager entering a dorm in a new environment full of strangers can get excited while for…

I think there are maybe other reasons to believe a retirement home may be less fun than a dorm.

One of them is sign of being more capable and more independent. The other is sign of being less capable and in need of more help. One of them is getting ready for future career. Other is getting closer to death.

Re: Who do we spend time with across our lifetime? (2020)

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I think something not measured here but potentially important is the amount of acquaintance contact people have. If you imagine living in a time before high-speed travel and big cities, the people you interacted with day-to-day were basically the same throughout your life. Maybe you weren't "friends" with these people, but just in order to live your life, you would inevitably be bumping into people that you had known…

I think even in a larger town this is viable to see plenty of people that you know. Part of the problem is the car centered infrastructure in America that makes it impossible to walk places and makes it seem normal to have to travel 20 miles to get groceries or a haircut.
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