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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by jollybean »

simion314 wrote: post #85
jollybean wrote: post #41

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It'd be practically impossible to enforce the 'privacy' concerns, because the data is so vast and accessible to CCP entities employed by ByteDance. I mean, they literally pay CCP members to promote government policy agenda within the company. As for trade - FB, Google etc. - none of it is even allowed in China. So purely from a 'trade parity' basis, Chinese social apps simply should not be allowed in the US. If we ca…

>It'd be practically impossible to enforce the 'privacy' concerns, But US would first need a law, now you just surrendered before you even tried. It could be possible to enforce it, you find an illegal action you slap them with a fine, find a new infraction slap them again and again. Do I need to spend my time thinking for americans? Make a law so Tik Tok keeps US people data in US, force them to have US employees an…

"Do I need to spend my time thinking for americans? " Only if makes sense, and unfortunately, I don't think it does in this case.

Which is the point: TikTok can't really be TikTok with those laws in place.

There's no way to make any US or European privacy laws gel with CCP policy and there's no realistic way to 'segregate the data'.

The only 'solution' would be to have a complete and total separation of the app in almost every way, essentially meaning TT as an operating entity would be an American/Western company, which happens to be 'owned' by a company in China, but that's it. Literally everything else, except for maybe some code-sharing, would be completely different.

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Post by oarsinsync »

BrainVirus wrote: post #356
puppymaster wrote: post #171

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while many struggles with the mental gymnastic, for me it has always been clear-cut. Government might be bad, and if they did bad, can we criticize it? Did any harm come to Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Adam Driver for portraying real life events depicting US government in lesser light? Can the same be said to Fan Bing Bing if she is to portray Li Wenliang in a movie? Or Viktor Bychkov playing Navalny in some sort of biopi…

>Government might be bad, and if they did bad, can we criticize it? Assange rots in prison, Alex Jones gets found guilty of defamation by default judgment , FBI raids James O'Keefe and leaks his phone data to NYT (which he is suing), and to top it all we have a soviet-style shitshow trial directed by politicians in January 6th Committee. Now, I will see some awesome mental gymnastics of people explaining how none of…

> Alex Jones gets found guilty of defamation by default judgment

Given that Alex Jones has in the last 24 hours been found to be lying under oath repeatedly during his trial, since his lawyers accidentally gave a full digital copy of his phone to the prosecuting attorneys (which they were supposed to have done already during discovery, but did not), this may not be the most effective example.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by bj-rn »

gruez wrote: post #100
fxtentacle wrote: post #48

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>Nestle Pure Life? According to google "Nestlé Pure Life is a brand of bottled water". What's so morally bankrupt about selling bottled water?

Checkout this documentary: https://www.bottledlifefilm.com/about-the-film

It's from 2012 but I suppose Nestlé hasn't changed much since.

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

reggieband wrote: post #333

TikTok scares me in the same way that DALL-E scare me. DALL-E is very, very good, but still obviously flawed. But behind the flaws I know it will get better. Like the original iPhone vs. the crazy powerful phones we have now. Or the original 3d games like Doom or Duke Nukem 3d compared to modern PC graphics. Or the insane quality of modern movie CGI. In 5 years or 10 years this AI tech to generate incredible images w…

> DALL·E: Creating Images from Text

https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/

for anybody else out of the loop

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by [deleted] »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #305
madeofpalk wrote: post #83

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Does tiktok actually collect that much (valuable) information? It seems all the scaremongering people spread (rightfully or not) is around it's moderation and attempts to steer discourse and change opinions to pro-china?

It's far worse than just data collection. At least at one point in time Tiktok's client was disassembled enough to reveal that it had a function to download an unsigned binary blob and run it on the device. They're able to bypass app store protections completely...

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

Animats wrote: post #342

"Poison pill" is the wrong phrase here. That has a different meaning. TikTok is not a social network. It's a short-form Youtube competitor. It's an entertainment system. China has WeChat, which is much closer to Facebook in style. It's mobile-first, which turned out to be a good decision. It handles messaging, shopping, ads, banking... It's a closed replacement for the Web. TikTok is mostly push, for timepass (a usef…

> TikTok is not a social network

I mean... it's made up of people "socializing", just through videos.

People dancing to trends, doing duets.

"hey what's your tiktok so I can see what you post/who you follow/what you like/what defines you as a person socially partially"

It for sure has a social aspect.

It's kind of splitting hairs to say it isn't a social network. I agree. It isn't Facebook. I'm not catching up with relatives in the DMs of TikTok.

But scrolling through "people" and what they post certainly does feel social. People can build a brand for themselves (good or bad).

You can interact by commenting + tagging / @ mentioning users, that can lead to jokes/followup videos, etc.

Trends/dances/sounds/songs can go viral. What makes something viral? People thinking it's viral.

Sounds like social/society to me.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by jamincan »

system16 wrote: post #197
Sparkle-san wrote: post #179

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They clearly did uninstall it but "use some some-discipline" is pretty disingenuous given companies are abusing biological mechanisms to get people hooked on their apps. This is especially true for teenagers who are underdeveloped in the self-discipline department.

Replace TikTok with food, porn, or drugs. At some point the individual has to take responsibility for their actions and seek support if it's something they can't do on their own. Or we just ban everything.

There is such a thing as shared responsibility. An individual smoker is responsible for quitting; Phillip Morris is responsible for making a harmful and addictive product. In the case of social media, individuals are responsible for how they use them, but Facebook/Tiktok/Twitter are also responsible for building apps that encourage overuse.

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Post by vorpalhex »

8note wrote: post #346
vorpalhex wrote: post #246

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The specific regulation is having a Chinese Communist Party member on the board and having the owner be a Chinese citizen.

The second requirement in that definitionally excludes american owned companies, other than dual citizens

China does not recognize dual-citizenship (at least not if one of those citizenships is Chinese).

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Post by BrainVirus »

oarsinsync wrote: post #362
BrainVirus wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Government might be bad, and if they did bad, can we criticize it? Assange rots in prison, Alex Jones gets found guilty of defamation by default judgment , FBI raids James O'Keefe and leaks his phone data to NYT (which he is suing), and to top it all we have a soviet-style shitshow trial directed by politicians in January 6th Committee. Now, I will see some awesome mental gymnastics of people explaining how none of…

> Alex Jones gets found guilty of defamation by default judgment Given that Alex Jones has in the last 24 hours been found to be lying under oath repeatedly during his trial, since his lawyers accidentally gave a full digital copy of his phone to the prosecuting attorneys (which they were supposed to have done already during discovery, but did not), this may not be the most effective example.

It's a perfect example of how people are brainwashed to accept degradation of their basic speech and due process rights because powers that be found an example (a scapegoat, really) that's not sympathetic to the public.

I recall the debates around banning Jones from YouTube. It was "sold" as an unprecedented step to combat unprecedented violation of basic decency. And here were are a few years later, when simply mentioning some wrongthink words automatically demonetizes your videos, splatters them with warnings and even cuts live streams from air. People are banned from YouTube left and right (pun intended). It's the new normal and brave technologists who posed as defenders of "real" free speech are mostly rationalizing and cheering it on.

BTW, would you care to explain how something that happened in the last 24 hours is relevant to the issuance of default judgment that occurred in November last year?

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Post by Fatnino »

yadaeno wrote: post #295
angryasian wrote: post #286

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> isn’t designed to be steered by protest but by voting Even voting within states are completely rigged with gerrymandering and popular vote means nothing in national elections.

This is a disingenuous pattern of argument. You point out a known problem and then throw the baby out with the bath water. In this case, its clear voting does have some effect because seats are constantly changing parties, and parties fiercely compete for votes. Other similar examples of this argument: "Everyone knows taxes go to corrupt corporations, they are completely useless get rid of them" "Everyone knows masks…

What seats are changing party? I live in California where my vote counts the least. Since I turned 18 every single election has sent a Democrat to Washington for both senate seats and my representative and president (though California doesn't have final say on that last one).

Currently, of those 4 seats, 3 are in their high 70s or even 80s and the 4th was appointed by the governor.

I'm in my 30s. My interests are either entirely not, or very very poorly represented in Washington.

Tell me again how my never missing an election has made a difference?

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