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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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TikTok is having longer and longer videos. TikTok will become something else. The machine learning only works for short videos. For long videos, you need social graphs to match videos to users who like them. I expect that both technologies will be combined.

> For long videos, you need social graphs to match videos to users who like them.

YouTube is all about long videos and there is basically zero social graph on there.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

I left Facebook/Twitter years ago for this reason and then got an ADHD diagnosis shortly after. So yeah, I can relate. I've never downloaded TikTok but I subscribe to two users via my RSS reader, which at least provides insulation from being subject to their algorithm and endless video feeds. That could be a good half-way solution for you.

Nowadays my main vice is Reddit with the occasional YouTube binge. I find I *can* manage using both in moderation but it's a slippery slope. It's even harder if I don't have a healthy outlet to focus on instead, like an interesting project, hobby, or class. But honestly, complete avoidance of those platforms paired with really good internet hygiene ("digital minimalism") are only consistent solutions for me.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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I do too, but statistically we are "nobody".

Given the lack of data, you might as well assume that you are not so special, and hence part of a statistically significant group. I see the claim that nobody cares about democracy as another piece of right-wing propaganda.

This! It is propaganda designed to give you apathy. Ironically it only works because you are aware enough to know you want a better world.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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I do, in fact, hate the player for doing something bad or evil. The game exists because there are players willing and wanting to play.

Does it help? Would it maybe be more useful to focus on the people that run the game, and try to make them change the game by changing rules?

I can do both. Hate isn't finite.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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post #153

TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

It's just a video app, exercise some self-discipline and self-accountability and uninstall the app.

It’s just a bottle of liquid, exercise some self-discipline and don’t drink it.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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It's the flow of nature. Nothing lasts forever. Looking from addiction perspective, TikTok is even worse. But, as the author said, it's more shallow, so it should be easier to move away from. I hope that people (or at least majority) will find a way to move from this mindless fun and finally start using all the technology we have at our disposal in some more meaningful way.

Many recent boycotts and other activist causes have achieved critical mass through organizing on TikTok. A ton of content there is historical and educational. People misunderstand short-form as shallow and that has never sit right with me. I find creators on TikTok to often go deeper and communicate more clearly than the cacophony of text posts on reddit or Facebook.

It's true that you can find useful content on TikTok.

But, let's be realistic - percentage of people using TikTok to learn something is... probably negligible.

But there's an example on how the technology can be used in good purpose.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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There is lots of talk going around TikTok, especially now geopolitics has been added to this kind of discussion due to ongoing tensions between two giants. Instead of banning or removing the TikTok app, how about the US government put a firm privacy policy that forbids TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and co from collecting excessive data on users? That would be a better solution, IMHO. Let users download…

I honestly don't see a reason for the US not ban TikTok for arbitrary bullshit reasons, simply because China does the same sort of bullshit for American internet companies. Foreign websites often get mysteriously throttled, which encourages people to use their domestic alternatives. The iTunes store was banned, despite following all their censorship rules. They even hacked Google.

Chinese here. While I can confirm a lot of these sites are banned for whatever reasons, iTunes is not. Check it yourself with https://ping.pe .

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't see a reason for the US not ban TikTok for arbitrary bullshit reasons, simply because China does the same sort of bullshit for American internet companies. Foreign websites often get mysteriously throttled, which encourages people to use their domestic alternatives. The iTunes store was banned, despite following all their censorship rules. They even hacked Google.

Chinese here. While I can confirm a lot of these sites are banned for whatever reasons, iTunes is not. Check it yourself with https://ping.pe .

Sorry. I meant iTunes Books and iTunes Movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_the_iTunes_Store

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Great if you're able to do that easily. Please understand that some of the most brilliant minds in the world get up in the morning usually somewhere in California, and work many hours in the day, and their literal job is to figure out how to subvert this.

Unfortunately regulations will always be one step behind. Asking for them is victim mentality. We’re responsible for our own choices. Everyone might get addicted to TikTok for some period. But everyone needn’t stay addicted to TikTok. (Of course I use “TikTok” as a placeholder for any infinitely consumable feed of targeted content.) Regulation has a place. For example, an obvious and easy win would be to pass a bill…

Your first sentence is wildly and dangerously misguided. Yes, it's slow and difficult but it's also the reason we have underappreciated institutions like the FDA.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Something I've never understood about these pivots from successful, revenue generating products. Sure, some users will leave Instagram for Tiktok. But isn't it a different product? Wouldn't Meta have been better off creating a new product and integrating it with Instagram, rather than killing the golden goose? This kind of thing seems to happen really often.

is there any evidence that the pivots actually "kill the golden goose"? facebook has a long history of making product changes that initially cause a lot of complaining from existing users.

they seem to be making a bet that existing users are addicted enough to the product that a change to it won't drive them away. and so far that seems to have worked for them.

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