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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

You could have left the ADHD part out of your comment and your argument would stand just as true.

Yeah, probably. Having ADHD doesn't help the issue.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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post #153

TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

> I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. Can you share any evidence that TikTok was designed to exploit people with ADHD? Where do you get such confidence for this claim?

I have metric shit tons of ADHD. All social media will match on to you easily. I don't think TikTok was designed specifically to target us as much as it was geared to target everyone. It's just we fall easily. Most ADHD people have addictive personalities.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

I find it hard to try to blame the cigarette (or any) companies in a world where maximizing money is encouraged. Don't hate the player, hate the game. I'm not trying to justify anything, but there would be another tiktok instantly exploiting the opportunity if tiktok would vanish.

I do, in fact, hate the player for doing something bad or evil. The game exists because there are players willing and wanting to play.

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As an ex-smoker, I never felt any anger towards cigarette companies. Only anger I felt was towards government regulations like banning smoking indoors or high taxes on cigarettes. Also felt a bit annoyed with society judging the smokers. Even when I was trying to quit, I didn't blame cigarette companies. Now in retrospect, I am glad that those regulations, taxes, and judgmental stares slowly nudged me towards quittin…

Perhaps the real culprits are the digital "gas stations" that make money hand-over-fist with TikTok's engagement loop. Apple, Google, and to an extent, Microsoft are all complicit in letting people make addictive experiences that promote their respective platforms. Much like the gas station, the smartphone is ubiquitous. Everyone passes by the TikTok aisle on their way to texting their mom or Googling a pie recipe, r…

I was just having a chat with my buddy today about how Apple, Microsoft and to a large extent Google are largely the best positioned to profit from any upstream applications. While the likes of Facebook, Instagram and TikTok fight for viewership, these underlying platforms are just counting profits regardless of who reigns supreme on the top. I don't know if Jobs saw this future unfold but here it is.

The gas stations of the digital era are just doing their job, ensuring that there is enough gas supply. What's ironic is that the biggest gas company also created the first automobiles, and basically told the market, everyone is welcome to build an automobile to use my gas as long as you give me 30% of your profits. Oh BTW, your automobile can run only using my gas. Boy, imagine this in the physical world.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

TikTok is an interesting case because on the one hand they have some fantastic content, cooking videos, explainers, etc. On the other hand how that content is delivered is absolute garbage (from the POV of sucking out attention).

Yeah, I wish I could use it. I have friends who send me cool/interesting stuff.

Part of it having that stuff is the reason it's so addicting. I get in a loop of "maybe the next video is The One". That's why short form, title-less videos are such an addicting thing to consume. Especially when you can't see the next until you're playing it and by the time you've played it, the video is over.

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Great if you're able to do that easily. Please understand that some of the most brilliant minds in the world get up in the morning usually somewhere in California, and work many hours in the day, and their literal job is to figure out how to subvert this.

reminds me that "the greatest minds at 1600 Amphitheater Parkway" made it harder to open your list of apps on Play Store but never mind Open the list, select 'TikTok' and click 'Uninstall' This is not to be demeaning. But if you're having too much trouble disconnecting from it, then that should be the way. You can still see videos in a browser.

It's addictive. Many users don't uninstall because they are addicted, and the social media companies exploit this for profit.

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> I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. Can you share any evidence that TikTok was designed to exploit people with ADHD? Where do you get such confidence for this claim?

I have metric shit tons of ADHD. All social media will match on to you easily. I don't think TikTok was designed specifically to target us as much as it was geared to target everyone. It's just we fall easily. Most ADHD people have addictive personalities.

This is what I would have expected as well so it was surprising to hear otherwise. I thought perhaps the OP had seen leaked documents or some other form of evidence that indicated TikTok targeted people with ADHD deliberately.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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post #153

TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

the Chinese actually call it "spiritual opium".

the CCP probably see it as some sort of poetic revenge for the real opium trade and the ensuing Sino-British war that they see as the start of the "century of humiliation"

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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I do hate the equivocating between Tiktok and other social media services. (eg: "Well, isn't TikTok just as bad as what Facebook is doing?") But that said, the use of the term "poison pill" is excellent, and something that I've been using to describe modern tech in general. It'd be wrong to say that Google maps is "bad." Really, it's incredibly convenient. But it's got a poison pill: it tracks you obsessively, it can…

You can still use the ways of the past (paper maps, etc). The fact that we don't, show we think the new ways are, on balance, better.

>on balance, better

I think this is somewhat true. It's definitely more accessible, which makes it better in the sense that more people can use it because it is simpler.

It's not immediately obvious how to use a paper map. There's a lot of information in there that one has to either know or learn how to interpret. Sitting down with a stack of paper maps and planning out a route is more complicated than letting the googlemachine tell you what to do and how to get there. But, if you're a certain type of person, there is a definite thrill about making the plans, marking out your route, and doing this interactively with another person (who will be the navigator) that is a bit lost in the translation to digital.

While the googlemachine may tell you about all of the restaurants or interesting sites along the way (that it knows about, or that have paid for prominent placement), it won't give the sense of adventure that "we'll figure it out when we get there" does, even if "figuring it out" means asking the waitress at the un-googleable diner over pie.

Paper maps have a lot of advantages, but it takes work, and you have to be willing to accept that your seat-of-the-pants judgements about where to eat won't have the data-driven information of crowd-sourced reviews, so you might get a crappy meal or two.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hard to try to blame the cigarette (or any) companies in a world where maximizing money is encouraged. Don't hate the player, hate the game. I'm not trying to justify anything, but there would be another tiktok instantly exploiting the opportunity if tiktok would vanish.

I do, in fact, hate the player for doing something bad or evil. The game exists because there are players willing and wanting to play.

Does it help? Would it maybe be more useful to focus on the people that run the game, and try to make them change the game by changing rules?
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