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Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by PathOfEclipse »

yellowapple wrote: post #259
PathOfEclipse wrote: post #164

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It will get fixed just as soon as the socialists and neo-marxists obtain power, and then ... create an oppressive, centralized, and corrupt authoritarian regime, just like everywhere else they gain power? Like, seriously, what are you talking about? The US is designed that way as compared to what other society? In every society under the sun, money translates to power, and people with more money tend to have more pow…

If they "create an oppressive, centralized, and corrupt authoritarian regime", then they were never socialists to begin with, contrary to what a considerable number of people have been conditioned to believe such that they may continue to be endlessly exploited.

Gosh those brainwashed, exploited masses! If only they let people like you brainwash and exploit them instead.

I suggest you watch this presentation from someone who fled a socialist country in their youth and now spends their time warning America of what could happen should it fall to socialism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyR6QK0igN0

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by dylanz »

alasdair_ wrote: post #221
tedivm wrote: post #91

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I found working with Google people impossible, which includes on the account side. They are rude and unhelpful. I had an issue where the domain verification system Google uses was broken. There was a backend issue on their side where the Google Webmaster Verification worked fine but their Cloud Run product couldn't read it. Rather than help me their product manager said that Cloud Run was a preview service so it was…

> I found working with Google people impossible, which includes on the account side. They are rude and unhelpful. I ran a business on GCP and paid for the $150/month support option. I was honestly pretty amazed at how good the support was (like, multiple google engineers stepping through my code line by line to find the root cause of an issue). For $150 a month (and only a few thousand a month total GCP spend) this s…

I pay $50/mo for basic GCP support and they’ve been fantastic thus far. That’s just my experience using it in the last few months.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by _huayra_ »

striking wrote: post #160
_huayra_ wrote: post #102

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This is why I'm finally slowly starting to self-host things. It's not really convenient compared to *aaS, as it's a whole lotta new stuff to learn with great consequences for an error (because of the security issues), but I would be absolutely screwed if I needed customer service for any of these "customer is the product" services I use (e.g. everything Google). That alone is worth the hassle.

I kind of understand not wanting to be at the whims of your service provider, but Oracle is not a particularly amazing example of a typical SaaS provider in any sense of the word. Knowing the first thing about Oracle's history or how it operates should be enough for anyone to choose any other service provider. GCP's support has been fine for me, I've seen folks have acceptable experiences with AWS' support, etc., etc…

This is actually my approach: move things to "self hosted in the cloud", then move to on-prem (hopefully timed to when I finally get a house after the housing slump gets worse in a year or so fingers crossed).

Although the costs aren't monumental, it does add up more than using basic hardware at home (I live in an area with fairly cheap electricity). I also work for one of the major cloud providers, so it kinda pains me to know how fat the margins are and how much I'm getting "ripped off".

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by yellowapple »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #271
yellowapple wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they "create an oppressive, centralized, and corrupt authoritarian regime", then they were never socialists to begin with, contrary to what a considerable number of people have been conditioned to believe such that they may continue to be endlessly exploited.

Gosh those brainwashed, exploited masses! If only they let people like you brainwash and exploit them instead. I suggest you watch this presentation from someone who fled a socialist country in their youth and now spends their time warning America of what could happen should it fall to socialism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyR6QK0igN0

Right, it's totally the fault of "socialism" for the shitshow that is the Venezuelan political and socioeconomic climate and not, you know, the neverending merry-go-round of military dictatorships, corruption, and civil unrest going on for more than a century and counting - i.e. long predating Venezuelan "socialism" (more like social democracy at best).

I suggest you base your understanding of geopolitics on something other than random anecdotes from people who just so happen to reinforce your own confirmation biases.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by striking »

_huayra_ wrote: post #273
striking wrote: post #160

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I kind of understand not wanting to be at the whims of your service provider, but Oracle is not a particularly amazing example of a typical SaaS provider in any sense of the word. Knowing the first thing about Oracle's history or how it operates should be enough for anyone to choose any other service provider. GCP's support has been fine for me, I've seen folks have acceptable experiences with AWS' support, etc., etc…

This is actually my approach: move things to "self hosted in the cloud", then move to on-prem (hopefully timed to when I finally get a house after the housing slump gets worse in a year or so fingers crossed ). Although the costs aren't monumental, it does add up more than using basic hardware at home (I live in an area with fairly cheap electricity). I also work for one of the major cloud providers, so it kinda pain…

Yeah, but a lot of that margin is from scale, no? The numbers aren't quite the same when it's just you working on your homelab. Definitely agree with self-hosting when it makes sense, but cost alone might not be a good reason.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by ufmace »

yellowapple wrote: post #259
PathOfEclipse wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will get fixed just as soon as the socialists and neo-marxists obtain power, and then ... create an oppressive, centralized, and corrupt authoritarian regime, just like everywhere else they gain power? Like, seriously, what are you talking about? The US is designed that way as compared to what other society? In every society under the sun, money translates to power, and people with more money tend to have more pow…

If they "create an oppressive, centralized, and corrupt authoritarian regime", then they were never socialists to begin with, contrary to what a considerable number of people have been conditioned to believe such that they may continue to be endlessly exploited.

Sounds like No True Scotsman to me. Can we name a single time they've taken power and not created an even more oppressive, centralized, and corrupt authoritarian regime than the one they wanted to replace? But sure, this time it'll be different because we'll have the Right People in charge.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by ufmace »

dingleberry420 wrote: post #163
bt4u wrote: post #94

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They are.

HN has a rich history of shadowbanning unwanted users. Everyone should turn on "showdead" on their profile, which, to be fair, is at least an option.

I always surf with "showdead" on. IME, around 98% of the "dead" posts are dead for good reason - either really obvious spam, or low-effort hostile snark in places where it's nowhere near being an appropriate response.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by jjav »

vkou wrote: post #237
jjav wrote: post #224

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> The point of anti-abuse rules isn't the letter of the rules, it's the intent behind them. This is really indefensible abusive behavior by all these cloud companies. It needs to be made illegal. Imagine if the real world operated that way. The police arrest you and throw you in jail for unspecified reasons and you're not allowed to know why or defend yourself. There are excellent reasons why they must instead charge…

> Imagine if the real world operated that way. The real world does operate in exactly that way, with a scant few exceptions. It's often even less scrutable than what I described. > The police arrest you and throw you in jail for unspecified reasons and you're not allowed to know why or defend yourself. Since you're saying this, it doesn't sound like you've had a lot of confrontations with police. (And if you ever do,…

> The police can and absolutely do arrest, intimidate, harass, and violently assault people for unspecified, fabricated or utterly bullshit reasons

I was going to include a sentence on police corruption in the original response but decided to leave it out. Yes, that happens, far more often than it ever should. But an important point is that it is corruption. It is not how the system is supposed to work. It's not much consolation to the victims of said corruption, but it is an important distinction in how society is built. Given that it is corruption it's at least possible to fight it. Maybe not personally (unless you're rich) but via organizations such as the ACLU and (some of) the press.

> Unfortunately, access to a rented VM doesn't quite rise to that level of seriousness.

In today's world, it does.

Just this week there was a discussion here on how the unjustified account blocks impact the poor with the least resources.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32304320

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