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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by infinitezest »

InCityDreams wrote: post #114
throw_m239339 wrote: post #72

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> An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird China, via a state sponsored outlet, just threatened to shoot the speaker of the house's plane if it went to Taiwan and you find USA's stance on TikTok, an extension of the CCP, "really weird"?

The US just bombed a dude in a foreign country they recently abandoned. As a different non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment still seems really weird.

The US government is a menace so the American people have no reason to feel threatened by a foriegn power? Am I understanding your argument correctly?

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Post by draw_down »

fragmede wrote: post #44
Havoc wrote: post #11

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Launching something new and separate inherently means starting with zero user base.

I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg could use his influence at Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp to get a few users to try out a new app he coded up over the weekend.

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Post by cycomanic »

withinboredom wrote: post #106
brobdingnagians wrote: post #101

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But the electoral college ultimately derives its members from people who are voted on by the general electorate. The electoral college is an abstraction so that the states in the United States are able to have a check and balance on federal power. Having a direct democracy of 300 million people would be a bad idea, a lot of political philosophy has been written on why. If you build on a library that builds on library…

That doesn’t magically make it a democratic election. In fact, the way you describe it working is a relatively new way of doing things and varies from state to state. It is not uniform. Also, if you paid any attention at all in the last election, you’d realize how tenuous it all really is and in multiple elections, the actual person voted in wasn’t even the winner by popular vote. So by definition, it can not be demo…

> That doesn’t magically make it a democratic election. In fact, the way you describe it working is a relatively new way of doing things and varies from state to state. It is not uniform. Also, if you paid any attention at all in the last election, you’d realize how tenuous it all really is and in multiple elections, the actual person voted in wasn’t even the winner by popular vote. So by definition, it can not be democratic.

Now I am by no means a fan of the electoral system and I think one van argue that the US fails to live up to being democratic in practice for several reasons (I consider the electoral college a very minot part of the issues), however saying that it can not be democratic by principle or definition it can not be a democracy. I mean let's remember that in Athens (where the term comes from) only a minority of male citizens was allowed to vote.

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Post by Jochim »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #53
fxtentacle wrote: post #48

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Everything you say is true. But it's not an argument. Failing to live up to all your stated values in past is not a reason to give up on then for all time.

It's not about giving up on them. It's about being willing to accept that you haven't lived up to those values and make the changes necessary to uphold them.

While still in the wrong, how seriously should China or Russia take the country that lead the invasion and occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan for 20 odd years when it offers it's condemnation of their own ambitions?

To be frank, how can we expect anyone to take our condemnation seriously when we are currently doing the same things or have let the same things go unpunished in recent memory. We refuse to hold our own torturers and war criminals to proper account.

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Post by rr888 »

doctor_eval wrote: post #2

Something I've never understood about these pivots from successful, revenue generating products. Sure, some users will leave Instagram for Tiktok. But isn't it a different product? Wouldn't Meta have been better off creating a new product and integrating it with Instagram, rather than killing the golden goose? This kind of thing seems to happen really often.

I'm not into Tik Tok style videos. I recently really cut back using both Instagram and FB because they're just showing me humorous videos and not why I used those apps.

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Post by adrianN »

okasaki wrote: post #118
nonrandomstring wrote: post #42

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> Just make one rule for all. This is the correct solution of winning the moral high ground. What Russia has been doing for several decades (see Yuri Bezmenov [1]) is leveraging the "west's" inner discontent. Every time a Watergate or Snowden happens it's a gift to them. It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. We'r…

> It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. I don't know why though. It should be clear by now that nobody in the west cares about hypocrisy, democracy, standards or corruption.

I care.

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Post by zaroth »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #67
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #19

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

Well we know that US intelligence agencies reserve the right to access all data harvested by American companies. They have a law about that. Do I particularly agree with the CCP politically? No. But I want everyone to be equal to the law and I'm not going to delude myself that Americans give one flying fuck about the privacy of foreigners- or their own citizens even.

I think the issue is more about influence than it is about privacy.

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Post by derbOac »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #19

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

Snowden is sort of an unusual standard to apply for this sort of thing? Espionage and intelligence almost never meets a certain level of proof that's available to the public eye.

I'm not really sure what to make of Chinese government involvement with TikTok but from the information available, it seems like whatever it is, TikTok isn't being forthright about it.

You can distrust the US government and also think there's reasonable evidence the Chinese government has access to TikTok for domestic or foreign intelligence.

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Post by CodeSgt »

account42 wrote: post #93
nonrandomstring wrote: post #42

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> Just make one rule for all. This is the correct solution of winning the moral high ground. What Russia has been doing for several decades (see Yuri Bezmenov [1]) is leveraging the "west's" inner discontent. Every time a Watergate or Snowden happens it's a gift to them. It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. We'r…

You don't need a "narrative" to describe western nations as corrupt. All you need to do is look at wealth inequality over time: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Wealth_i...

Why do you think wealth inequality is an inherent sign of corruption?

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Post by Rastonbury »

Twitter and Meta's social graphs competitive advantage will still be there with tiktok like features, what screws them is the dream of growth and every new person having a FB account. If tiktok doesn't have a social graph or relies on one, it looks like there's a gap in the space of FB for the gen Z. Also the title is confusing, I thought Bytedance had a poison pill in a sense it has some governance or legal means to dissuade would be acquirors.
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