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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by gruez »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #103
gruez wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nestle Pure Life? According to google "Nestlé Pure Life is a brand of bottled water". What's so morally bankrupt about selling bottled water?

add “controversy” to search string - depletion of waterways etc https://www.mashed.com/717227/nestles-water-controversy-expl...

>They say that by extracting ground water to sell, bottled water companies are actually draining natural waterways.

Okay but people have to drink somehow right? It's not like if nestle stopped operating that the demand for water would evaporate. It'll just cause another waterway to be depleted instead.

The other point raised in the article seems to be that nestle is taking water, which it pays little to nothing for, and charging $1/bottle or whatever. This sounds outrageous on the surface, until you realize that water in a well or whatever isn't really useful. You still need to bottle and transport it, which is where most of the value-add is. If people only needed water they'd get it from their tap, not buying $1 bottles. When they are buying bottles, they're paying for the convenience of water being available right then and there.

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Post by partiallypro »

fxtentacle wrote: post #48
nonrandomstring wrote: post #42

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> Just make one rule for all. This is the correct solution of winning the moral high ground. What Russia has been doing for several decades (see Yuri Bezmenov [1]) is leveraging the "west's" inner discontent. Every time a Watergate or Snowden happens it's a gift to them. It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. We'r…

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This is like saying the US had segregation and internment camps in the 40s, so it had no moral standing on the USSR and Nazi Germany committing genocide. Which would be complete nonsense.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by [deleted] »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #103
gruez wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nestle Pure Life? According to google "Nestlé Pure Life is a brand of bottled water". What's so morally bankrupt about selling bottled water?

add “controversy” to search string - depletion of waterways etc https://www.mashed.com/717227/nestles-water-controversy-expl...

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by InCityDreams »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #72
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #19

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

> An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird China, via a state sponsored outlet, just threatened to shoot the speaker of the house's plane if it went to Taiwan and you find USA's stance on TikTok, an extension of the CCP, "really weird"?

The US just bombed a dude in a foreign country they recently abandoned. As a different non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment still seems really weird.

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Post by dm33tri »

madeofpalk wrote: post #83
nixcraft wrote: post #5

There is lots of talk going around TikTok, especially now geopolitics has been added to this kind of discussion due to ongoing tensions between two giants. Instead of banning or removing the TikTok app, how about the US government put a firm privacy policy that forbids TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and co from collecting excessive data on users? That would be a better solution, IMHO. Let users download…

Does tiktok actually collect that much (valuable) information? It seems all the scaremongering people spread (rightfully or not) is around it's moderation and attempts to steer discourse and change opinions to pro-china?

Yeah to me seems they rather buy data, so in the app I see ads about things things I've looked for somewhere else. Never seen it other way around, but maybe it is more subtle - YouTube Shorts and TikTok have a huge overlap in content for me, but does it mean YouTube buys my data from TikTok?

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Post by partiallypro »

angio wrote: post #56

It's interesting to read this article from March [0] and then check the tiktok's coverage on the news after that. > Facebook paid GOP firm to malign TikTok > The firm, Targeted Victory, pushed local operatives across the country to boost messages calling TikTok a threat to American children. > “Dream would be to get stories with headlines like ‘From dances to danger,’ ” one campaign director said. [0] https://www.was…

None of this detracts from concerns about Tiktok and the CCP though. Just as Microsoft funding anti-Google pieces doesn't detract from Google's near monopoly status in online advertising. Competitors do that all the time, you can't let that be a distraction from what the underlying problems are.

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Post by tayo42 »

jeromegv wrote: post #107
gruez wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nestle Pure Life? According to google "Nestlé Pure Life is a brand of bottled water". What's so morally bankrupt about selling bottled water?

It’s not quite to the level of geopolitic but selling bottled water is entirely unnecessary in majority of the US. It’s extremely bad for the environment, both for the plastic but of course the transport. When it’s often the same damn thing you get in your sink. But no idea what’s specifically bad about this brand in particular.

I've yet to visit a country that didn't sell bottled water though. That doesn't seem US specific

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Post by okasaki »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #42
nixcraft wrote: post #5

There is lots of talk going around TikTok, especially now geopolitics has been added to this kind of discussion due to ongoing tensions between two giants. Instead of banning or removing the TikTok app, how about the US government put a firm privacy policy that forbids TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and co from collecting excessive data on users? That would be a better solution, IMHO. Let users download…

> Just make one rule for all. This is the correct solution of winning the moral high ground. What Russia has been doing for several decades (see Yuri Bezmenov [1]) is leveraging the "west's" inner discontent. Every time a Watergate or Snowden happens it's a gift to them. It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. We'r…

> It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt.

I don't know why though. It should be clear by now that nobody in the west cares about hypocrisy, democracy, standards or corruption.

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

account42 wrote: post #93
nonrandomstring wrote: post #42

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> Just make one rule for all. This is the correct solution of winning the moral high ground. What Russia has been doing for several decades (see Yuri Bezmenov [1]) is leveraging the "west's" inner discontent. Every time a Watergate or Snowden happens it's a gift to them. It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. We'r…

You don't need a "narrative" to describe western nations as corrupt. All you need to do is look at wealth inequality over time: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Wealth_i...

Well, okay corrupt, but still capable of self-repair. meanwhile others have the corruption build into the very system of thiefdoms handed out to nobles.

Also there are quite alot of ideals at work, for example when it comes to free trade. Anybody can sell his product and ideas in the us, meanwhile alot of beligerents, have walled of their societies from free discours and sabotage any external market contenders.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

epups wrote: post #89
galoisgirl wrote: post #58

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(Non-American too.) China may not have been proven to use TikTok data specifically, but their track record about human rights and privacy is what it is. > I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway... Ah, the old "nothing to hide" argument.

No, but really: Facebook collects very private data, including personal messages. Google has even more sensitive information. I also don't see why suddenly TikTok is such a concern, except for sinophobia or pure misinformation.

There's a large and substantial difference between "Google has your data" and "Google abuses your data".

You might have doubts whether the limits set by Western authorities on Google's use of your data would be effective, or about the ability of those authorities to investigate and enforce, but I think we can all agree the odds are much better than for TikTok where no chance exists at all.

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