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Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by irrational » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:02 AM UTC

WaffleIronMaker wrote: post #13

> I love legacy codebases. > A legacy codebase means that the product is performing well. It means that I can often make immediate and impactful improvements. Wow. This person must have worked on very different legacy codebases than me. Legacy Javascript code, to me, is something that I do not want to touch with a 10 foot pole, because every little piece of it can be intertwined with and used by many other hidden pla…

What websites are you working on that have 10+ people? In my nearly 25 years working as a web developer, I don't think I've ever worked with more than three other developers at one time.

Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by mxschumacher » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:03 AM UTC

__del__ wrote: post #106

user3939382 wrote: post #73

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I’ve been using PHP since 2003 and it’s my full time job and this doesn’t ring true. Very, very rarely is a gotcha not in the docs comment section.

i always found those comment sections to be so odd — fifteen year old comments about a common pitfall and the information never makes it up to the official documentation? i suppose it's fitting for a web-centric language to crowd source its docs on a website, but does any other mainstream language do this?

The php docs are themselves a public GitHub repo, so it's a bit sad if insightful comments don't affect change in the docs

Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by mxschumacher » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:06 AM UTC

Hasu wrote: post #208

jrm4 wrote: post #87

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But genuine question -- what other languages are as simultaneously as useful AND predictable?

Ruby, Python, C#, Java, and JavaScript are all are more predictable and just as useful. Go, Elixir, Clojure, and probably others are more predictable while being less "useful" only in the sense that they may have less convenient deployments or less mature web libraries.

Go is more difficult to deploy than php? php.ini files and php extension installations to get to production is what I remember

Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by fsdghrth3 » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:22 AM UTC

throwaway_4ever wrote: post #95

soheil wrote: post #44

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> EDIT: why the downvotes? The anti-PHP cult is strong here on HN. List 5 benefits of React and watch your upvotes skyrocket.

React gets an equivalent amount of disdain as PHP. Like 60% negative, 40% positive. (lots of preferences for server-side templating, htmx, Vue, Svelte, and Phoenix LiveView)

React is great. Vue is wannabe angular (not sure what version though was it 2, 3 or 4 now?) svelte is too busy shipping bugs to fix any and I don't even know what the others are.

Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by fsdghrth3 » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:24 AM UTC

kortilla wrote: post #190

trixie_ wrote: post #118

Each PHP file is a magic hot swappable component. Not some bulky binary you have to full compile/deploy on every tiny change. What other web technology compares?

Perl

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Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by waspight » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:31 AM UTC

I think that php has some weird disk usage behaviour that makes running Wordpress in a docker environment slow. I don’t know exactly what it is but I would say it is a weird behaviour of php anyway.

Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by RedShift1 » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:35 AM UTC

timack wrote: post #81

tiffanyh wrote: post #4

PHP has so many hidden benefits: - it's stateless by design (much easier to scale) - it was "serverless" before Serverless - surprisingly performant - no "unknown unknowns". it's so tried-and-true, there's no surprises - deployment is so simple, just drop a file on a web server. No middleware needed. - No long compile times because there is no compiling needed. EDIT: why the downvotes? If you don't agree, just reply…

Not sure about "no surprises" - just saw this on Twitter yesterday: https://twitter.com/LupinityLabs/status/1554217944179249153

This just in: Developer discovers quirks of floating point numbers, declares outrage.

Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:38 AM UTC

tiffanyh wrote: post #4

PHP has so many hidden benefits: - it's stateless by design (much easier to scale) - it was "serverless" before Serverless - surprisingly performant - no "unknown unknowns". it's so tried-and-true, there's no surprises - deployment is so simple, just drop a file on a web server. No middleware needed. - No long compile times because there is no compiling needed. EDIT: why the downvotes? If you don't agree, just reply…

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Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:46 AM UTC

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Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript

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Post by wpearse » Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 6:52 AM UTC

timack wrote: post #81

tiffanyh wrote: post #4

PHP has so many hidden benefits: - it's stateless by design (much easier to scale) - it was "serverless" before Serverless - surprisingly performant - no "unknown unknowns". it's so tried-and-true, there's no surprises - deployment is so simple, just drop a file on a web server. No middleware needed. - No long compile times because there is no compiling needed. EDIT: why the downvotes? If you don't agree, just reply…

Not sure about "no surprises" - just saw this on Twitter yesterday: https://twitter.com/LupinityLabs/status/1554217944179249153

I did a 100-level paper at University that explained floating point arithmetic and how to solve for equality. Without being snarky, how do developers miss this sort of stuff?