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I still love PHP and JavaScript
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Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#122> I love legacy codebases. > A legacy codebase means that the product is performing well. It means that I can often make immediate and impactful improvements. Wow. This person must have worked on very different legacy codebases than me. Legacy Javascript code, to me, is something that I do not want to touch with a 10 foot pole, because every little piece of it can be intertwined with and used by many other hidden pla…
>Typescript only aids this point
Though, being optional, it creates its own problems that are time consuming. I have spent a fair amount of time trying to find the right versions of npm dependencies and accompanying @type/whatever packages that work together and aren't saddled with open vulnerabilities, etc.
Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> EDIT: why the downvotes? The anti-PHP cult is strong here on HN. List 5 benefits of React and watch your upvotes skyrocket.
What cult? PHP is technically, objectively inferior to almost every other web technology (which is impressive, actually, given how terrible most web technology actually is) in almost every use case one can think of. That doesn't mean it's bad or that nobody should ever use it, or that it isn't a superior solution in some cases. But in basically any non-trivial use case, it's a poor choice.
Suppose you had a old car. You know its limitations, you've used it for many, many years. You know its problems, its quirks and warts. You also know the workarounds for its quirks. In all, it is good enough for most of your needs. It rarely surprises you. It is average looking, but it just runs and is easier to maintain.
Then comes the shiny new car - it has way too many gadgets and gizmos, you don't know how most of them work. Heck, you don't even know what half these gadgets are for. You don't know when or how it will break. But most importantly, you don't know how to fix something when it breaks, because there is too much magic going on. High maintenance, constant stress.
The first case is PHP. People can dunk on it all day, every day. But it is good enough for most projects. And with tools like Laravel, Composer etc, PHP is constantly improving too.
The latter? I dunno, there are lots of candidates for it I suppose.
Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#124PHP has so many hidden benefits: - it's stateless by design (much easier to scale) - it was "serverless" before Serverless - surprisingly performant - no "unknown unknowns". it's so tried-and-true, there's no surprises - deployment is so simple, just drop a file on a web server. No middleware needed. - No long compile times because there is no compiling needed. EDIT: why the downvotes? If you don't agree, just reply…
- 9 ways to do same thing in PHP api - worst way to do templating - weird mental model of putting all logic and templating in one file
Like a react component?
Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#125PHP has so many hidden benefits: - it's stateless by design (much easier to scale) - it was "serverless" before Serverless - surprisingly performant - no "unknown unknowns". it's so tried-and-true, there's no surprises - deployment is so simple, just drop a file on a web server. No middleware needed. - No long compile times because there is no compiling needed. EDIT: why the downvotes? If you don't agree, just reply…
Not sure about "no surprises" - just saw this on Twitter yesterday: https://twitter.com/LupinityLabs/status/1554217944179249153
This is hardly specific to PHP. You should never compare IEEE floats using equality.
Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#126PHP has so many hidden benefits: - it's stateless by design (much easier to scale) - it was "serverless" before Serverless - surprisingly performant - no "unknown unknowns". it's so tried-and-true, there's no surprises - deployment is so simple, just drop a file on a web server. No middleware needed. - No long compile times because there is no compiling needed. EDIT: why the downvotes? If you don't agree, just reply…
> EDIT: why the downvotes? The anti-PHP cult is strong here on HN. List 5 benefits of React and watch your upvotes skyrocket.
It's cool to hate on popular things.
Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#127PHP has so many hidden benefits: - it's stateless by design (much easier to scale) - it was "serverless" before Serverless - surprisingly performant - no "unknown unknowns". it's so tried-and-true, there's no surprises - deployment is so simple, just drop a file on a web server. No middleware needed. - No long compile times because there is no compiling needed. EDIT: why the downvotes? If you don't agree, just reply…
Is Hack better than PHP?
Only if you are Facebook. Err I mean Meta.
Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#128In 2022 there is no reason to prefer these dynamically typed languages over statically typed ones for production code. When languages like PHP, Ruby, JS blew up the knock against statically typed languages was the verbosity of the resulting code, slow development cycle and general cruft, these languages solved a real problem at that time. That is no longer true today- TypeScript, Go, C# code feels as fluid as a dynam…
"No reason", at all? Have you seen how much standardized legwork is done with a backend framework like Rails and Django? How much easier that is to work with other developers because everyone is following known conventions? With Django, there's also the huge benefit of millions of data libraries an import away. When I search for client libraries to do something, anything under the sun has a Python client. Much much l…
> Have you seen how much standardized legwork is done with a backend framework like Rails and Django? How much easier that is to work with other developers because everyone is following known conventions?
How is Django different from, say, ASP.Net Core in that respect?
Re: I still love PHP and JavaScript
#129I learned PHP as a kid in the 90s. It always seemed too easy to use it, almost as if it was a toy language, and I thought there's no way that professional programmers actually work this way. But here I am, having spent ~50% of my career in PHP off and on.