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Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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That's a lot of staff - it means 1/5th of your coworkers got laid off... I'm very bearish on Robinhood - I don't know if they have enough of a moat to defend themselves from other free stock trading apps. People have forgiven so many outages. The Gamestop saga was the straw that broke the camel's back for many.

I know I’m a mere small drop in a large bucket, but I take solace in knowing there were plenty of other drops like me that eventually wrecked that bucket.

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To be fair, if I could get paid $10M for not hitting any of my goals, I sure wouldn't complain.

To be fair, I don't think the CEO is complaining either

He doesn't even pay people to complain for him, they're so deluded they do it for free.

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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Your math makes no sense. The fewer the employees laid off, the more the dollar per employee will be. What does that mean? If a company lays off only one employee, then all of the CEO's salary could have gone to one person?

I think it just shows that the CEO earned enough to give every laid off employee a whole annual salary, so you could argue that the layoff could have been prevented for at least a year.

Exactly.

Hate to go there on HN but there _is_ a moral side to this.

What is the cost of making the kind of mistakes this guy did? And who should pay for them?

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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Your math makes no sense. The fewer the employees laid off, the more the dollar per employee will be. What does that mean? If a company lays off only one employee, then all of the CEO's salary could have gone to one person?

I think it just shows that the CEO earned enough to give every laid off employee a whole annual salary, so you could argue that the layoff could have been prevented for at least a year.

And if they'd over hired, their business could still be in the same place (or worse) next year. People should just say they don't think executives should earn that much money (in good times or bad) rather than making moral justifications like this.

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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> As CEO, I approved and took responsibility for our ambitious staffing trajectory—this is on me Reminder that Vlad Tenev received $800M in compensation in 2021. In the same year the company made terrible bets on crypto and banking, took an irreversible reputation hit among its core user base because of the GME fiasco, had multiple user data breaches, was subject to several investigations and was fined hundreds of mi…

I hate this BS lately with CEOs claiming it's "on them" and "their bad decisions" as if that somehow makes it all okay. There is NEVER any repercussions for CEOs when they fire/lay off no matter how many people.

So if it's on you, how about YOU lose your job?

No?

Oh well then.

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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And yet, CEOs for decades (the 50s-80s) did just fine at a fraction of wealth disparity compared to today [1]. In fact, in just the last three years; the overall disparity has increased 31% despite corporations failing to properly manage the pandemic or their workforces. 1 - https://www.forbes.com/sites/annefield/2022/05/23/ceo-worker...

> And yet, CEOs for decades (the 50s-80s) did just fine at a fraction of wealth disparity compared to today [1]. And yet, SW professionals did just fine for decades when making anywhere from a quarter to a third of today's FAANG salaries (inflation adjusted).

It’s a reasonable point. But I think the distinction is SW wasn’t creating the economic value it does now. Similar to why firmware jobs don’t pay FAANG type salaries, the scale of economic impact isn’t there. (Not to be confused with societal impact).

So the question becomes, are CEOs pay commensurate with their added value? Put differently, is the rise in production mainly attributable to the CEO (as wages were largely stagnant prior to 2020, yet CEO wages increased rather dramatically.) Are they adding more value now than they did before and, if so, can we actually measure it?

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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"With great power comes great responsibility"

Nah, there's not really responsibility when your parachute is golden.

Well I agree that there isn’t in practice, but I wish that there was

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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“crypto up plz” being the calculated, good faith, board approved risk? I’m not saying it was illegal. All I’m saying is the people who paid for the bad bets (with their livelihoods) were not the same ones who made the bets in the first place.

Not my company not my bets. I’m paid to staff a post at a company, the CEO laying people off has no more impact on or responsibility to my livelihood than I do to the workers of food truck I frequent. As a worker I take literally no risk except “one day they might stop paying me.” I am not impacted at all by how the company is doing. And if you’re a stock holder then you should love this move since it’s in your best…

Comparing you frequenting a food truck to a CEO that takes massive risks at the expense of his employees is insane.

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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post #367

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And then you get to France. Several hours late, because there is an SNCF strike once again :)

I actually respect he French attitude and willingness to stand up for their rights and way of life. We can endlessly debate whether they take it too far but in the backdrop of the rest of the world doing fuck all, I see it as a positive.

Sure, I didn’t actually expect an off-hand remark like that to be taken as a serious comment on the French labour situation. (It’s... complicated, seems to have no good solutions, and I have mixed feelings about it given that France is one of the few places in Western Europe that has actual, genuine socialists rather than social democrats, but yes, the fact that there does seem to be a serious discussion going on, with a decent range of options and real power to enact them, makes up for a lot of my gripes about the quality of the arguments used.)

The point was that while Europe, as a rule, does lean towards more labour regulation than the US, the specifics vary so much that this is about the only useful generalization you make about it. The rest heavily depends on the country, and even geographical proximity doesn’t really play into it. (But you would know all about that, I expect.)

Re: Robinhood lays off 23% of staff

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Your math makes no sense. The fewer the employees laid off, the more the dollar per employee will be. What does that mean? If a company lays off only one employee, then all of the CEO's salary could have gone to one person?

I think it just shows that the CEO earned enough to give every laid off employee a whole annual salary, so you could argue that the layoff could have been prevented for at least a year.

Sure, but no doubt a Silicon Valley programmer could take a 50% pay cut, still have plenty to live on, and double the salary of 3 cleaning staff that work at their company.

Should we talk about that too?

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