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Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by alasdair_ »

tedivm wrote: post #91
rch wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found that both are pleasant to work with, on the cloud side at least. That pleasant demeanor doesn't always translate into getting immediate results, but how could it really?

I found working with Google people impossible, which includes on the account side. They are rude and unhelpful. I had an issue where the domain verification system Google uses was broken. There was a backend issue on their side where the Google Webmaster Verification worked fine but their Cloud Run product couldn't read it. Rather than help me their product manager said that Cloud Run was a preview service so it was…

> I found working with Google people impossible, which includes on the account side. They are rude and unhelpful.

I ran a business on GCP and paid for the $150/month support option. I was honestly pretty amazed at how good the support was (like, multiple google engineers stepping through my code line by line to find the root cause of an issue). For $150 a month (and only a few thousand a month total GCP spend) this seemed like a really good deal and included 24/7 4-hour response times.

This was at least five years ago however - no idea if they still offer this plan today.

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Post by jjav »

vkou wrote: post #185
mikro2nd wrote: post #181

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Yes. Exactly. Telling people what they've done wrong enables them to behave better in future. Isn't that what we want... rehabilitation?

That works on people who are using your system with good intentions. That does not work on people who are using your system with malicious intentions (and who face zero personal consequences when they get caught again, and again, and again). They don't get rehabilitated, when you tell them which rule you broke[1], they just adjust their malicious use to work around that rule. Rehabilitation is only possible when both…

> The point of anti-abuse rules isn't the letter of the rules, it's the intent behind them.

This is really indefensible abusive behavior by all these cloud companies. It needs to be made illegal.

Imagine if the real world operated that way. The police arrest you and throw you in jail for unspecified reasons and you're not allowed to know why or defend yourself.

There are excellent reasons why they must instead charge you with a specific crime and the laws that define those crimes are written down and you can look them up. And then they need to present evidence and you do get a chance to defend yourself.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by FateOfNations »

kube-system wrote: post #202
helpfulmandrill wrote: post #78

Got the same thing with Ebay. I created an account. I attempted to sell a Linguistics textbook. I was immediately banned. They wouldn't tell me why. My account will still let me BUY from ebay. But I'm not going to.

eBay is really aggressive with fraud prevention for sellers because there's a bunch of scammers making fake listings trying to make a quick buck and eBay will always reimburse the end customer. I know that if you share any address/payment method/IP address/etc with someone who previously flaked out as a seller, they'll ban your account. It sucks but I don't really know what they could do to improve it.

Actual KYC so they don't base guilt on spurious associations based on dynamic IP or physical addresses that someone else might have used?

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Post by biztos »

SSLy wrote: post #215
biztos wrote: post #152

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I discovered recently that my bank (in Germany) can cancel my account without cause. My best guess is they were purging the books of Americans, they refused to tell me the reason, but my takeaway is that if this can happen in the consumer-protection nirvana that is the EU, don’t hold your breath waiting for exploitative practices to be outlawed.

Well, EU banks hate dealing with USA exporting their laws to their (states') citizens abroad, regarding reporting etc.

Indeed, my other German bank will promptly disown me if I stop living in Germany, but they at least are upfront about it.

Leaving aside my annoyance at the first bank's behavior, it was a definite learning moment, in that I had assumed a "normal" bank could not just kick you out because they feel like it. In Germany, indeed they can!

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Post by jjav »

moreira wrote: post #87
rexreed wrote: post #60

The more this keeps up, the more we'll be back to where we were in the 1990s - self-hosted apps on non-cloud infrastructure that are owned and managed by the companies and orgs who build on them, and not held hostage by cloud companies who have built rent-seeking businesses and eliminated any sort of human support while automating functions with unaccountable and flawed algorithmic decision-making systems. Don't get…

> We're coming back full cycle to decentralized systems. You say this as if it's something that's happening, but it's not. There's a few pockets of self hosted bits here and there, but that's not new. We are not coming back to decentralised systems, and we will -never- go back to that in any significant number. Most people are not going to give up the cloud to go back to bare metal. Most people are not going to give…

> We are not coming back to decentralised systems, and we will -never- go back to that in any significant number.

In the 70s when mainframes (effectively same as cloud, remote access to someone else's computer) were king and small personal computers and workstations were just a toy, it seemed ridiculous to think centralized mainframes could ever be replaced.

So I will hold hope that things will swing back the other way at some point. As the cloud companies become more and more powerful they will inevitably become ever more abusive, so at some point enough people will look for better ways.

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Post by robocat »

Bayart wrote: post #220
dingleberry420 wrote: post #163

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HN has a rich history of shadowbanning unwanted users. Everyone should turn on "showdead" on their profile, which, to be fair, is at least an option.

They really shouldn't. People don't get randomly shadowbanned. Turning it on just shows a whole lot of vile, aggressive, hysterical rubbish.

Do any social networks use GPT3 autogenerated replies to deceive the shadowbanned into thinking that they are not shouting into the void?

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Post by thrownblown »

robocat wrote: post #228
Bayart wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They really shouldn't. People don't get randomly shadowbanned. Turning it on just shows a whole lot of vile, aggressive, hysterical rubbish.

Do any social networks use GPT3 autogenerated replies to deceive the shadowbanned into thinking that they are not shouting into the void?

maybe get dall-e to make some trolling comments to even siphon off some of that vitriol into the void

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Post by Krisjohn »

moreira wrote: post #87
rexreed wrote: post #60

The more this keeps up, the more we'll be back to where we were in the 1990s - self-hosted apps on non-cloud infrastructure that are owned and managed by the companies and orgs who build on them, and not held hostage by cloud companies who have built rent-seeking businesses and eliminated any sort of human support while automating functions with unaccountable and flawed algorithmic decision-making systems. Don't get…

> We're coming back full cycle to decentralized systems. You say this as if it's something that's happening, but it's not. There's a few pockets of self hosted bits here and there, but that's not new. We are not coming back to decentralised systems, and we will -never- go back to that in any significant number. Most people are not going to give up the cloud to go back to bare metal. Most people are not going to give…

If you don't think that flipping back and forth between centralise and decentralize is a cycle that will repeat forever, then you haven't been in computing long enough.
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