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What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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My hunch is that these companies are cargo-culting their strategies. The hiring freeze is as essentially a gut reaction. If one starts with layoffs, others will follow. The real problem is that companies of the Google scale will always need new engineers for particular projects and have a surplus for others. A global freeze or even layoffs simply don't fit.

The best businesses I've seen work counter-cyclically.

When there are hiring freezes and layoffs, it's easy to find good cheap engineers and you hire. When job markets are hot, you put a pause on hiring.

The same goes for many other things. A recession is an ideal time for deep R&D. There's little competition, and it's possible to do long-term thinking. When the recession ends, and the bubble begins, you hit jackpot.

All of this requires deep enough pockets to weather a few years, though, and patient investors. That's rare.

Cargo culting for Google and Facebook make little sense organization-wide, since they do have deep pockets. They make complete sense employee-wise. No one got fired for following industry best practices, conventions, or cycles.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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post #8

My hunch is that these companies are cargo-culting their strategies. The hiring freeze is as essentially a gut reaction. If one starts with layoffs, others will follow. The real problem is that companies of the Google scale will always need new engineers for particular projects and have a surplus for others. A global freeze or even layoffs simply don't fit.

> The real problem is that companies of the Google scale will always need new engineers for particular projects and have a surplus for others. A global freeze or even layoffs simply don't fit.

Markets are trying to communicate the exact opposite: tighten the belt and focus on core profitability.

Just because Google can continue to throw money at idea after idea doesn’t mean that investors want them to.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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What's going on is there is a giant recession half-cycle heading our way and Google (don't know about FB) have teams of folks whose sole job is to forecast these cycles.

My bet is they are seeing which way the wind is turning and battening down the hatches.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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Didn’t Sundar just recently demand increased productivity? Sounds like he’s setting the stage for layoffs.

Perhaps the productivity should come from fixing whatever level is deciding to make another chat product, again. Fix the bonuses and you'll get better productivity.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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For what it's worth, Meta offered me slightly after the hiring freeze was announced for a security engineer position (L4 IIRC). I'm interviewing with Google for Security Engineering as well and still they haven't told me anything about a hiring freeze yet.

A hiring freeze is typically a freeze on new job reqs (candidates already interviewing wouldn't be exposed to this)

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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Didn’t Sundar just recently demand increased productivity? Sounds like he’s setting the stage for layoffs.

Inevitable. Working 2 hours a day while getting paid 300K+ is unsustainable. Most of the Googlers I know have been spending 20% of their time on Google and 80% on side projects for the past year now.

Working 2 hours a day while getting paid 300K+ is unsustainable.

That's just not true though. If you can generate $50m of revenue by working 2 hours a day then you're brilliant at your job, and demanding you work more hours is idiotic.

Put simply, there is no function that converts "salary / hours" into any useful measure of a person's output.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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Both Google and Meta have millions of PCs in data centers and the number just keeps growing, so I guess you can call it a cancer.

Unless you're being facetious, I suspect that PC == political correctness in this context.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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Freeze? Both me and my friend from a previous project were recently approached by G's recruiters in Poland.

I wasn't pursuing new roles at the time, but my friend figured he'd try and found that the recruiter's calendar was filled up to the brim.

He asked what's going on and she replied that she has KPI to fulfill and this is the result. He followed up with a question about compensation and got a number which was... very close to the current market rate.

This is a major shift in policy comparing to just three years ago and with Poland being a popular outsourcing destination I suspect that this is what's happening, especially that due to the Russian invasion there's additional talent from Ukraine in Warsaw.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Google and Meta have millions of PCs in data centers and the number just keeps growing, so I guess you can call it a cancer.

Unless you're being facetious, I suspect that PC == political correctness in this context.

I just wish PC would still mean "IBM / Wintel platform computer" on HN.

Re: What’s going on with Google and Facebook hiring freezes?

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Didn’t Sundar just recently demand increased productivity? Sounds like he’s setting the stage for layoffs.

Inevitable. Working 2 hours a day while getting paid 300K+ is unsustainable. Most of the Googlers I know have been spending 20% of their time on Google and 80% on side projects for the past year now.

This really depends on the team, and the individual productivity and ambition of the person in question.
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