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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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As an adult who struggles with ADHD that can be severely impairing, I’ve learned quite a few tricks from TikTok’s ADHD advocates. It’s definitely a coin with two sides. Edit: I’ve also learned to accept things about me that I can’t change. For example, I have a better outcome if I plan to be distracted rather than trying to fight my way through distraction.

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> Now, those sites are worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Can't afford to do the right thing. Which sites? Tumblr was started in 2007 - it wasn't very big until 2009. I'm not sure why it's even in your comparison. The only company worth hundreds of billions of dollars remotely relevant is Facebook and - possibly - TikTok. Are you implying that the majority of their business is promoting teen mental illness and ea…

> Are you implying that the majority of their business is promoting teen mental illness and eating disorders? These websites will do anything to prevent teens from migrating to a new platform. The majority of content, even teen content, isn't the unhealthy trends, but they will do nothing to curb it if it risks nudging that cohort to a competitor.

> These websites will do anything to prevent teens from migrating to a new platform.

Facebook didn't do much to prevent tweens from migrating to TikTok.

There's not much money to be made from tweens, and now it's a regulatory nightmare.

They can just get you when you're more easily monetizable and want to brag about going to Ibiza for Spring Break in college.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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I don't see it mentioned very often, but the whole "record yourself doing this funny dance" aspect of TikTok is, I think, a huge portion of why this is happening and is what makes it more powerful than other forms of social media. Getting people used to imitating what they see on the app could also be programming their minds to consciously/subconsciously imitate other things they see on there as well.

I downvoted you because this is completely unsubstantiated nonsensical speculation that boils down to "Kids these days!!". You sound like you would have protested against AD&D in the 80s and Harry Potter in the 90s for turning kids into Satanists, or violent video games in the early 00s for turning kids into school shooters. Same bullshit, different decade.

I fail to see the connection. The things you listed were all moral panics. I am not making an argument about the morality of TikTok. I'm commenting about the social and behavioural effects of TikTok and of Social Media in general.

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Is it fair to say that stimulants having a significant impact is an indicator for having ADHD? If it wasn't basically impossible to see a psychiatrist where I live, I'd try to get tested, because Armodafinil has completely changed my life.

> Is it fair to say that stimulants having a significant impact is an indicator for having ADHD? Honestly I'd say it's the opposite. Stimulants barely touch the sides with me, even the non-prescribed types a younger version of me may or may not have dabbled in were pretty ineffective.

They don't work for you, I take it?

I had read about how stimulants don't do much for the average person and that much of it is placebo. I know they do a lot for me -- well, Modafinil/Armodafinil does, I haven't tried any other because I'm so happy with these.

I feel lucky I have something that works, I don't mind not having a diagnosis. It'd make sourcing them easier and free, but at $2 a pill and with the multiplier effect it has on my productivity, that doesn't even register.

I hope you've found other ways to improve your experience.

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I think there is a kernel of truth here in that I feel there is a lack of healthy male role models and there is a lack of support for mental health for men. Women also have their difficulties, but society is, in my perception, overall, much more supportive for female problems than male problems. In this aspect, I get where the manosfere is coming from. But I think _a lot_ of these communities come at this from a wrong direction.

I will agree that "Jumping on the LGBTQ train gives them some protection and upward social-political trajectory." is kiiiind of hilarious. Just the kind of talking points that unhealthy communities make you believe.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Tiktok and pop-culture generally make me very skeptical on "ADHD", the so-called "spectrum" and "neurodivergence" generally. I'm not saying these things don't exist, but much of it seems very difficult to falsify -- which needs to be the gold standard of determining these sort of things; e.g. "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?"

> much of it seems very difficult to falsify It's quite straightforward, albeit involved (as in technically easy, but takes time) to falsify. You have to work with a licensed medical professional who will evaluate traits, strengths, and difficulties, and to what extent they impact functioning as a person in society. Basically, are they "well-adjusted"? If they make it through school, college and adulthood without a t…

> Basically, are they "well-adjusted"?

was a terrible choice of words on my part, but I can't edit now. What I mean here by "well-adjusted" has nothing to do with "appears functional from the outside". I mean "they appear functional and actually are and didn't have to contort themselves to do so".

Does the patient self-medicate with nonmedical stimulants/stimulation? (caffeine, nicotine, other drugs, adrenaline junkie)? Did they have to struggle and claw to overcome executive issues and get some semblance of normalcy? Did they find a particular niche/trade where they can be successful? Do they succeed on the outside but feel burned out constantly inside? Those are not the folks I'm talking about. I'm saying folks who didn't need to go way out of their way to adapt in order to achieve an outward sense of normalcy.

My father is one of the least-ADHD people I know. His life wasn't easy by any means (grew up very poor, had to work his way through high school and college), but also he didn't have any of the kind of turmoil growing up that I see in myself and each and every neurodivergent person I know.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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As an adult who struggles with ADHD that can be severely impairing, I’ve learned quite a few tricks from TikTok’s ADHD advocates. It’s definitely a coin with two sides. Edit: I’ve also learned to accept things about me that I can’t change. For example, I have a better outcome if I plan to be distracted rather than trying to fight my way through distraction.

I personally hate seeing all the ADHD stuff, I feel like most of those people are faking/wrong as well. But I don't know, maybe I just have ADHD? I just feel like they are always like "this is life with ADHD" and I'm like "what? that's just life? isn't that how everyone is?"

I'm diagnosed with ADHD and I don't like reading about it on the Internet either. People seem to enjoy making their diagnosis part of their personality rather than learning to manage it and get on with their lives. I don't think it is healthy to stare at a light-up screen and dwell on your mental issues.

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> Is it fair to say that stimulants having a significant impact is an indicator for having ADHD? Honestly I'd say it's the opposite. Stimulants barely touch the sides with me, even the non-prescribed types a younger version of me may or may not have dabbled in were pretty ineffective.

They don't work for you, I take it? I had read about how stimulants don't do much for the average person and that much of it is placebo. I know they do a lot for me -- well, Modafinil/Armodafinil does, I haven't tried any other because I'm so happy with these. I feel lucky I have something that works, I don't mind not having a diagnosis. It'd make sourcing them easier and free, but at $2 a pill and with the multiplie…

I had thought the dosage I'm on was working and then I lost a freelance client after slipping too far behind schedule.

Decent pay it was as well, cleared a bunch of the debt I'm lugging around. ADHD tax haha, it is what it is.

Waiting on an appointment to review the meds

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

I for one will be giving my child unfettered and unmonitored access to the internet as I had growing up. I will be suplementing that experience with plenty of education on how to avoid some of the pitfalls, but I find the best way to learn that stuff is to experience it yourself.

If you have daughters there is a large chance they will fall in love with manipulative predators. Source: myself and many of my peers.

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I can credibly claim stimulant treatment for adhd saved my life so I'm not at all skeptical of its value in this context. But doesn't everyone respond extremely well to stimulants? They're some of the most common recreational drugs and neurotypical people seek them out for performance enhancement on cognitive tasks.

> But doesn't everyone respond extremely well to stimulants? I wish lmao. I'm on meds and while I can see a difference between non-meds and now I could easily go back to bed after they kick in and sleep the entire day away. Still doing the dosage dance with the doc. Someone who didn't need them would likely be a little hyper if not bouncing off the walls depending on the dosage.

That sounds like maybe an adhd thing? Not trying to diagnose you but from the comment it's not clear whether that's what they're prescribed for.

I definitely get a noticeable feeling of calm/steadiness/"settling" as my stimulants kick in, and yes it would be very easy to go back to bed at that point. My understand is that this is not a typical part of the stimulants experience for people without adhd.

But by "responds well" I meant that they improve focus, energy, motivation, and mood even in non-adhd people, not that they have the same effects. Other comments have addressed that this is at least somewhat a misconception on my part though.

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