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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by uoaei »

freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

When you talk to yourself aloud, have you never noticed that it takes the form of dialogue rather than monologue?

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Post by ineedasername »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #449
alphabettsy wrote: post #237

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Most people who are against sex change operations for children are not transphobic, they just know that children don’t understand lifelong consequences and are trying to muddle through.

I generally agree, but it is a problematic question because even short of operations there are things like hormone treatments that, during development, can have lifelong impacts. Children lack experience and context that may help them make the best possible decision but on the other hand if they forgo treatment until they are a little older & post-pubescent then they may have lost forever a significant opportunity to develop their body in accordance with their wishes. But the same problem can occur if obtaining hormone treatment during critical developmental periods does not ultimately coincide with their identify.

I don't have an answer, but perhaps we'll gradually better understand these things as time goes on, though doing so will require taking a step back from political or ideological thinking on the topic.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by uoaei »

__s wrote: post #82
freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

It's not too hard to pick up on multiple identities, tho I'm sure it can get out of hand when you pick out the people who are reinforcing each other as a trend My view of it, for my own personal reflection, is to first define identity. I opt to have two prongs to it, rooted in game theory: executive identity & motivational identity. Given a decision matrix executive identity is the actor being able to choose. Motivat…

Absolutely. Identity is best defined as "genuine pretending". This framing makes it obvious that there's a potential for behaviors to differentiate into a few modes (personas) in various contexts (both internally and externally derived!) based on predilections of the base organism.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

anotherman554 wrote: post #458
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #384

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And FDR had polio. JFK had Addison's disease and required regular treatment. Alan Turing revolutionised pretty much all of science and then committed suicide. Clearly someone can be pretty much maximally successful in their endeavours, and yet still have diseases that have a significant negative impact on their life, whether it's their sense of happiness, problems with interpersonal relations, or mobility. As for dou…

I don't doubt a mental health practitioner told Musk he has Aspergers but we've now moved the bar from medical issues being related to a "significant negative impact" on the patient's life to "...some interpersonal issues..." being sufficient to label someone with a medical condition.

I think you're reading too much into the "significant" part of this the word in this context does not mean "large".

And again, it's pretty presumptuous to act like we know the whole story with Musk's Aspergers. I don't acutely pay attention to his personal life, and I don't see any reason to make the assumption that the only symptoms he has are ones that have been visible in the media(like the $420 tweet and the "pedo guy" thing). Aspergers is a very real disorder, I've multiple friends with it. People with aspergers can be highly intelligent and successful at what they do, yet feel completely miserable and become increasingly depressed because they struggle to connect with other people, which gets lonely.

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luckylion wrote: post #512
LocalPCGuy wrote: post #92

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> doesn't everyone respond extremely well to stimulants? Not really - despite their popularity (as you say, heavily sought after), studies have shown that there really isn't a significant cognitive boost for neurotypical folks that take these stimulants[1]. While they have a significant effect for those with ADHD because their brain is not providing the chemicals properly, and these drugs enable that. They aren't boo…

Is it fair to say that stimulants having a significant impact is an indicator for having ADHD? If it wasn't basically impossible to see a psychiatrist where I live, I'd try to get tested, because Armodafinil has completely changed my life.

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Post by KennyBlanken »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189
MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

> You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans.

That's...not how anyone realizes they're trans or is diagnosed as having gender dysphoria. Your comment is very moral-panicky and transphobic.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

electrondood wrote: post #357
MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

> It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible I mean, that's what religion is. It's a shared delusion that functions as a mind virus, where the conceptualization of deities that are on your side (but not the other side's) is mistaken for there actually being such a thing. The fact that it's normalized doesn't change the fact that it's a delusion.

> I mean, that's what religion is. It's a shared delusion that functions as a mind virus,

I don't believe in anything super human or God like, but that's a very strong assumption

People do know that God might and probably does not exist I mean, ancient Greeks knew that gods did not exist, it was never intended literally.

Religion is simply a set of rule that defines the identity of a community.

I don't like or follow them, but if religion was really a threat for humanity, we would be all dead by now.

Most religious people, the vast majority of them, are perfectly capable of living a normal life.

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Post by jquery »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #510
jquery wrote: post #250

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It was never taboo to criticize pro-ana groups. Being lgbt isn’t a mental illness. Not medically speaking, anyway. Maybe they were considered such in the past. Go far enough back and we used bloodletting as a common treatment, our understanding generally improves with time. I have no desire to go back to an era where lgbt people were persecuted. With respect to your other point. “Children” is a broad category. Pre-pu…

> Being lgbt isn’t a mental illness. No one in this thread was claiming that. With the possible exception of aspects of trans, but don’t conflate that with the larger LGB community. Separate issues, and not being discussed here. …

Divide and conquer is the latest tactic of anti-LGBT folks. They realized it’s futile to attack the gays (for now) so they are focused on separating the T from LGBT, because trans issues are currently less understood by the broader public (who remains largely ignorant of the issue beyond culture war flashpoints). I’ve seen a lot of people making claims about gender in this thread, imagining themselves to be in opposition to trans “ideology,” while actually being perfectly aligned with it (such as that gender-non-conformity doesn’t make a person trans).

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Post by chaoticmass »

thih9 wrote: post #514
chaoticmass wrote: post #495

I don't see it mentioned very often, but the whole "record yourself doing this funny dance" aspect of TikTok is, I think, a huge portion of why this is happening and is what makes it more powerful than other forms of social media. Getting people used to imitating what they see on the app could also be programming their minds to consciously/subconsciously imitate other things they see on there as well.

Isn’t the “record yourself” aspect relatively irrelevant? The majority of users don’t record themselves dancing (or even don’t create content on a regular basis).

I'm not so sure. Even if they don't record themselves, they see "everybody else" is doing it. You get the same thing happening in other forms and other social phenomenon but I'd wager the effect is stronger on TikTok.

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Post by corobo »

solumunus wrote: post #238
DoughnutHole wrote: post #20

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Well the problem with ADHD is the same problem of pretty much all psychological disorders - diagnosis is only ever really fuzzily falsifiable. You get diagnosed with it if you tick enough of the boxes of behaviours/dysfunctions associated with it - you can fall short of a diagnosis by one behaviour and still be in a very similar condition to a diagnosed person, or tick enough boxes but fall short based on the diagnos…

> The interesting thing is that despite the condition being composed of a wide gamut of seemingly unrelated behaviour, ~90% of people with ADHD respond extremely well to the same treatment - stimulant medication. This is constantly presented as some sort of ultimate validation of these disorders and every time I read it I'm absolutely baffled. Stimulants used in ADHD medication improve focus and productivity for almo…

Meds didn't do anything useful for me until I'd had the dosage bumped a few times.

Kept sending me back to sleep if anything, first day I was on them I had a 16 hour nap.

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