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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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> This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impact" on social skills. Narcissists, sociopaths regularly climb up while being impaired and causing damage everyone around. People with OCD or hypochondriac too. Bipolar people the same. That does not make those non existent either.

I don't see how your mention of OCD, bipolar disorder, narcissisms or sociopathy is relevant to someone with a supposed social skill disorder being really good at navigating and conquering the social world. To me the claim that Musk has Aspergers is like being told an Olympic marathon runner has a leg disability.

> I don't see how your mention of OCD, bipolar disorder, narcissisms or sociopathy is relevant to someone with a supposed social skill disorder being really good at navigating and conquering the social world.

It's not the social world. It's the social media world. Big difference.

Michael Jackson was the greatest in his field too, was on all covers and people would faint when they saw him, but was also a social reclusive.

Big phenomenons like this are more an indication of the amount of money being spent in promotion than the social skills of the person being promoted.

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It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The drug industry does the same thing. Has anyone else watched a anti-depression medicine commercial and suddenly felt they are depressed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhvtzd6gXA I mean watch this and tell me you don't want what they're selling.

Banning advertisements for prescription-only drugs makes quite a bit of sense for reasons like that.

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It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

> It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible I mean, that's what religion is. It's a shared delusion that functions as a mind virus, where the conceptualization of deities that are on your side (but not the other side's) is mistaken for there actually being such a thing. The fact that it's normalized doesn't change the fact that it's a delusion.

Religion is a contemplation of free will, e.g. it’s a central ethos of Christianity.

If free will is an illusion, none of this matters anyway :)

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> You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. This literally does not happen.

Depends on which bubble you live in.

Simple objective reality. Nobody is diagnosing boys as trans or having gender dysphoria simply because they play with Barbies. People in a certain bubble may believe it's happening, but in the real world it takes a lot more than "plays with barbies" to get that diagnosis.

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> To me, you can be depressed about something and not have depression. You can be anxious about something and not have anxiety. Those are slightly more sophisticated uses of sad and worry. You are contradicting your own examples: > You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. It's possible the people are expressing they are feeling depressed or having anxiety in a colloquial way without confus…

You missed the sarcasm/jest on my first examples. I should have tagged them or been clearer. On the later the separation is: “I’m depressed” = Sad or a variation of it. “I have depression” = Diagnosis of a disorder

I've always wondered what it means that Germans say "I have hunger" instead of "I'm hungry".

Maybe they think hunger is a disorder to be cured by prescribing food, instead of a feeling to be satisfied by eating. ;)

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lots of men do the opposite of crying by reacting with some sort of anger/rage in whatever public outbursts (verbal or physical). I present my younger self as exhibit A to verbal stupidity and admit guilt to all charges in this manner. It wasn't until maybe 10ish years ago that I got tired of just being angry at everything. Maybe I could have gotten there sooner with professional counseling, but that wasn't the manly…

This. Patriarchy sort of collectively defines the "emotion" out of the ways that men act out. When women cry, they're being emotional, when men get angry, it's a rational response to people acting the wrong way. (Not to mention the fact that the idea of being "emotional" is itself, considered bad somehow!) When you start to notice the ways that men act out emotionally for what they are, it becomes apparent that men a…

This is the most insightful comment I've read in weeks and I've never thought of things this way before. This changes the way I look at people.

Men and women are just as emotional: The main difference is that men are shamed for being sad/crying, so our emotions end up manifesting as anger instead. Men get angry because they aren't allowed to cry.

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If that "delusion" were really so maladaptive it would have been outcompeted by now.

The concept of (religious fanatics + nuclear weapons) has greatly undermined the old 'utilitarian' argument about the social benefits of religion. For those who haven't heard it, that argument is something like 'yes, religious texts are just fairy tales, but religious belief leads to social cohesion and confers survival advantages on a society, so we should promote it, even though we don't believe in it ourselves.'

Another somewhat more cynical take on the utilitarian argument is that religious believers are conditioned to accept rule by a small elite (aka the feudal aristocracy) and can be more easily manipulated by propaganda.

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The psychological resources is always limited even in the best development country. There are fair amount of people out there that are actually undiagnosed. I think there may be some people overreacting, but the real number is definitely higher than the statistics we have.

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Tik Tok is the reason I've been told several times I have ADHD. Pretty sure I don't! This phenomenon is so infuriating. The only half-convincing defense I've heard of it is that it could, maybe, theoretically, disseminate information about illnesses to people who don't have the money to see a professional, but the other effects are so much worse it doesn't seem worth it.

Tiktok and pop-culture generally make me very skeptical on "ADHD", the so-called "spectrum" and "neurodivergence" generally. I'm not saying these things don't exist, but much of it seems very difficult to falsify -- which needs to be the gold standard of determining these sort of things; e.g. "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?"

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

You bring an interesting point and it's absolutely true that mental reality is very relative.

And considering the shallowness and speed of socnets... It seems a very bad combo.

Old world may be what it is but there were some natural brakes.

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