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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by a_shovel »

badcppdev wrote: post #334
a_shovel wrote: post #320

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> You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. Setting aside, for now, the fact that these are things that people realize about themselves and not things people are diagnosed with by others... Why are you bringing them up in response to a comment about mental illness?

Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't think it indicates they are trans or have gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Please don't misinterpret the comment. *Edit: removed the word diagnosed as wasn't in the original comment.*

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Post by aliqot »

watwut wrote: post #315
aliqot wrote: post #173

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Shows a lack of self control

Why would self control require pretending you don't have emotions? If you are being aggressive, then yes, you are lacking self control. But that is act, not emotion.

Self control is assimilating those emotions in a healthy way to understand the root cause rather than letting them overflow from mental->physical in inappropriate settings.

This is a cornerstone of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which is, in short, "I am free to notice that when this happens, I feel this certain way, and that usually relates to these outcomes. How can my behavior influence this in my favor?"

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Post by fsociety »

collegeburner wrote: post #254
jnovek wrote: post #201

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This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communities because their doctors aren’t helping them.

do you have somewhere where i can read more about this? i havent seen it before and am interested.

Shared a good article about this below. You can see the bias crop up in the comments here unfortunately. I would say there are as many uninformed opinions on here as there are with people on TikTok self-diagnosing themselves with a mental illness.

It is quite sad. I personally know that being diagnosed with depression when you have ADHD instead is debilitating. It feels like nothing will fix you. But then with an ADHD diagnosis it was much easier to be present in the world.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180523-how-gender-bias-...

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Post by Ensorceled »

kortex wrote: post #336
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Agreed. I was finally diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago. I had been self mediating with coffee and adrenaline for several decades. But I was, by all accounts, successful. Just not happy or healthy or as successful as I could have been.

> Just not happy or healthy or as successful as I could have been. That is precisely what I mean. You were not naturally "well-adjusted", you just learned to adjust and adapt over time. It wasn't the best choice of words but I can't edit.

There are clinicians who believe that if you are not "below average" or "experiencing extreme distress" then, by definition, you don't have a disorder. Because I have a well paying job, some clinicians would not categorize me has having ADHD because I'm operating at an "above average" capacity.

We're just reacting to what appears to be agreement with that approach, even if unintentional.

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Post by Dobbs »

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The daily signal is not a reputable source for anything, and most definitely not for trans related topics.

Keira Bell purposefully lied and ignored all guidance and gatekeeping she was given; as she has openly admitted. She proceeded with transitioning, and then decided she was wrong.

Kiera Bell won her initial court case against tavistock and got puberty blockers banned. This ruling has been overruled. The ruling was in direct contradiction Gillick competency, and made zero sense in light of all case law in the UK.

Re tavistock:

> In March, a review of gender identity services for young people led by the paediatrician Hilary Cass confirmed what everyone knew: that the service was under “unsustainable pressure” as demand outstripped capacity, resulting in overwhelmed staff and waiting lists of up to two years that left young people at considerable risk of distress and deteriorating mental health.

> Cass recommended the creation of a network of regional hubs to provide care and support, a recommendation accepted by the NHS.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/28/tavistock-ge...

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Post by Bubble_Pop_22 »

anotherman554 wrote: post #313
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #264

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You can agree or disagree, but the fact is that diagnoses almost always include a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life. It's not merely a value judgment, and it's definitely not an arbitray judgement. The AMA or the CDC can't just decide that blod hair is now a medical disorder for no other reason than it would be helpful to your strawman. Clearly a lot of r…

"...a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life." Lot's of things have negative impacts that aren't considered medical conditions, on the other hand Elan Musk says he has Aspergers. Nobody seems to doubt it. This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impac…

> "significant negative impact" on social skills.

Social skills you see them at the micro level , not at the macro level. That is after the halo effect of all the paid for publicity (plus all the abomination that is modern day social media) vanishes.

Once the halo effect vanishes everybody nopes the hell out of Musk life, including his confidantes, children and wives. So he has significant negative impact on social skills.

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Post by hhjinks »

noobker wrote: post #199
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> It's not too hard to pick up on multiple identities, you wear one mask with one group, another with a different group. Wouldnt say multiple identities though. But yeah, the mutual reinforcement is a BIG problem.

> you wear one mask with one group, another with a different group. Wouldnt say multiple identities though You're just establishing that for a given persona there is a spectrum from 'Mask' to 'Identity' and insisting that there is an arbitrary threshold. For a moment, embrace a worldview that there is no singular, core Identity -- in fact all personas are masks to some degree. An Identity may be a mask you're particu…

It doesn't follow. A system is a collection of distinct, separate, entities in a single body. They are not equivalent to the personas of most people. They are, to a greater or lesser extent, siloed off from one another, as distinct as you and I. That is the description given by a significant part of the systems community, and is not compatible with your view of identity. A system would likely take offence at your suggestion that each member is just a persona.

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Post by kkielhofner »

Apocryphon wrote: post #370
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I think we’re talking past each other here? The medical diagnoses are generalized anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder (with a variety of variations). Both of which, in common usage, have meaning. The average person with their arm in a cast doesn’t say they “have a compound fracture of the radius and ulna”. They say they broke their arm or MAYBE fractured their arm. In this case the simple language and medi…

> To me, you can be depressed about something and not have depression. You can be anxious about something and not have anxiety. Those are slightly more sophisticated uses of sad and worry. You are contradicting your own examples: > You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. It's possible the people are expressing they are feeling depressed or having anxiety in a colloquial way without confus…

You missed the sarcasm/jest on my first examples. I should have tagged them or been clearer.

On the later the separation is:

“I’m depressed” = Sad or a variation of it.

“I have depression” = Diagnosis of a disorder

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Post by anotherman554 »

watwut wrote: post #339
anotherman554 wrote: post #313

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"...a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life." Lot's of things have negative impacts that aren't considered medical conditions, on the other hand Elan Musk says he has Aspergers. Nobody seems to doubt it. This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impac…

> This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impact" on social skills. Narcissists, sociopaths regularly climb up while being impaired and causing damage everyone around. People with OCD or hypochondriac too. Bipolar people the same. That does not make those non existent either.

I don't see how your mention of OCD, bipolar disorder, narcissisms or sociopathy is relevant to someone with a supposed social skill disorder being really good at navigating and conquering the social world.

To me the claim that Musk has Aspergers is like being told an Olympic marathon runner has a leg disability.

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