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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Ensorceled »

jnovek wrote: post #43
kortex wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> much of it seems very difficult to falsify It's quite straightforward, albeit involved (as in technically easy, but takes time) to falsify. You have to work with a licensed medical professional who will evaluate traits, strengths, and difficulties, and to what extent they impact functioning as a person in society. Basically, are they "well-adjusted"? If they make it through school, college and adulthood without a t…

> Basically, are they "well-adjusted"? This is a radically behaviorist interpretation. A common criticism of the diagnostics for ADHD (and Autism, for that matter) is that it ignores the person’s internal experience. I was formally diagnosed with ADHD in 2017. I’d been visibly quite successful in that time, but at the expense of my own mental health because I was fighting a constant uphill battle. ADHD was a set of s…

Agreed. I was finally diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago. I had been self mediating with coffee and adrenaline for several decades. But I was, by all accounts, successful.

Just not happy or healthy or as successful as I could have been.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by __s »

freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

It's not too hard to pick up on multiple identities, tho I'm sure it can get out of hand when you pick out the people who are reinforcing each other as a trend

My view of it, for my own personal reflection, is to first define identity. I opt to have two prongs to it, rooted in game theory: executive identity & motivational identity. Given a decision matrix executive identity is the actor being able to choose. Motivational identity is what determines the pay off values of the outcomes

It's possible to have conflicting motivation, which ends up debating itself until it's decided by your executive identity. In various contexts these motivations will overtake each other on executive identity, causing one to behave rather differently

There's a range on how cohesive these behave for people, for some it can be distinct enough to feel like a different person

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by ralusek »

jnovek wrote: post #26

As an adult who struggles with ADHD that can be severely impairing, I’ve learned quite a few tricks from TikTok’s ADHD advocates. It’s definitely a coin with two sides. Edit: I’ve also learned to accept things about me that I can’t change. For example, I have a better outcome if I plan to be distracted rather than trying to fight my way through distraction.

Devil's advocate: I'm sure the people learning about their non-existent dissociative identity disorders also feel as though they're learning useful information and tricks.

That being said, I'm in no way implying that the internet can't contain useful information.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by AlexandrB »

2000UltraDeluxe wrote: post #29
ominous wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> video games cause violence They don't. Nothing harmful can come out of reading a book. > DnD leads to Satanism It can't, ever. No subculture can wander so close to satanism that would lead their elements to coopt it. > TV rots brains It doesn't. There's no way of consuming TV that has a negative impact on people. > movies lead to illiteracy They don't. Having the choice of a movie never prevented anyone from having…

I suspect the gp had an implied "/s" and was referring to things like the infamous Chick tracts and so on.

Pretty sure the parent was being sarcastic in response, given obviously false statements like:

> Well done, everything is harmless.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by daptaq »

trh0awayman wrote: post #24

Young people on the internet have been doing this since at least the 90s, though it's definitely become more popular (mainly due to internet culture spreading to normal society). Just think back to the LiveJournal/MySpace era - it was the same exact thing back then. All the kids that I knew who did this have grown up to be completely normal adults.

There is a comment like this any time TikTok comes up, but I find it hard to believe that (to exaggerate) everything has and will always be the same. Doesn't the fact that being on a personal phone that children have access to most of the time distinguish newer social networks (Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok) from it's predecessors. Doesn't the availability of better network connections allow for more easily addictive media have any influence? And let's not forget the ability to optimise the feed to exactly the stimuli that a user picks up on?

TikTok is different, and that has nothing to do with China or whatever other cultural/political topic. It is the amalgamation that results many years of optimising user interaction and dependence on social networks as an advertising platform. While in some aspects it is just a repackaged version of what has been there before, we shouldn't just dismiss the previous attempts as harmless, just because their dosage was less.

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Post by pwython »

trh0awayman wrote: post #24

Young people on the internet have been doing this since at least the 90s, though it's definitely become more popular (mainly due to internet culture spreading to normal society). Just think back to the LiveJournal/MySpace era - it was the same exact thing back then. All the kids that I knew who did this have grown up to be completely normal adults.

Definitely not the same exact thing. There were not nearly as many "influencers" that have a degree in Google pitching mental health seminars. MySpace didn't have an endless addictive feed, it was literally just a modern address book to chat with your group of friends and perhaps follow your favorite band. Their business model relied on traditional desktop display ads (header/sidebar/footer), as mobile web wasn't even around back then.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by xwdv »

nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by raxxorraxor »

irjustin wrote: post #58
nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

> It’s no wonder so many kids think they have mental disorders or any of the other mind viruses going around. Every older generation has said this about the incoming generation - without fail. I'll take the flip side. There are so many great social medias about loving yourself, loving your kids, crying is okay for dudes, and men don't have to be a certain way (i'm a dude). It's okay not to know how to change your oil…

I sympathize with everyone who looks at tiktok and starts to cry. That said I think this "you are allowed to show feelings" is extremely out of place and out of time. And not good general advice at all.

You should not show your feelings to just anyone. You should have self worth and share with those you trust. There is a reason why PR exists for people in the public sphere. Most people will treat you kindly and it is important to remember that, but a good lesson for the internet would be to be keenly aware of the pitfalls of sharing too much and that includes your feelings very often.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by __s »

mbg721 wrote: post #32

Teens do exhibit lots of mental disorder symptoms at various times--their brains are still developing rapidly, and on top of that they're thrust into one unfamiliar environment after another. The "normal, well-adjusted" state ought to be pretty tumultuous at that age.

Good point. I use to experience slight hallucinations (mostly auditory), but that tapered off as I grew out of adolescence
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