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Put down devices, let your mind wander, study suggests

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Re: Put down devices, let your mind wander, study suggests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had one of these for a while, water proof: https://www.amazon.com/Aqua-Notes-Water-Proof-Note/dp/B01AS5...

Nice! I've been wanting something to take notes on in the shower and this looks perfect. Are you able to share your thoughts on how well it worked? I don't trust Amazon reviews.

Well it's good enough to mention it on hacker news

Re: Put down devices, let your mind wander, study suggests

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> Not all thinking is intrinsically rewarding, and in fact some people are prone to vicious cycles of negative thinking Major reason why I avoid thinking. If I’m left to wander, I have dark ideas, remember the bad parts of my life, and have hate for everyone. What social networks and Youtube help me for, is cover these thoughts and let me spend my time in the present, at the price of not enjoying creativity anymore,…

Ironically this is what I'm going through; as I read these comments, in the back of my head I'm darkly ruminating about my day.

Re: Put down devices, let your mind wander, study suggests

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There is some interesting discussion in the analysis portion of the paper that resonated deeply with me. >However, the fact that participants underestimated the potential task motivation during the thinking period may indicate that people avoid thinking not because it is aversive but because it is expected to be aversive. >Such an inaccurate expectation may lead people to unnecessarily avoid spending time thinking in…

What are other good mobile strategies? I need my phone to keep an eye on some work stuff + elderly parents on WhatsApp, but clearly parts of the phone are neurologically optimized to keep me distracted (and it works!) So what are other good ways to fight this?

You can get a phone pureley for work, and turn it off outside of working hours. As with your elderly parents, it might be a good idea to tell them to call you instead of text for important/time-critical things. Non-important stuff can go to Whatsapp, and you check infrequently.

I myself gotten a non-smart feature phone as secondary device with a MultiSIM - i.e. both my smartphone and my feature phone ring when I get a phone call, and I can take it on any device. I also told my close contacts to call instead of text as I might be without smartphone. If I want focus time, I turn off the smart-phone or leave it at home.

Re: Put down devices, let your mind wander, study suggests

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Has anyone experimented with having a "dumb phone" and taking that with them just in-case people need to contact them or for emergencies? Lately, I've had a few times when I accidentally left my phone at home and after an hour or so realized how much fun I've had without it.

I do exactly this. I got a cheap feature phone (Nokia, ~50€) with a MultiSIM that my cellprovider offers. Both phones ring at the same time when I get a call, and I can take it on either. I only have close contacts on my feature phone, it can play music, and I can make calls. Plus, the battery lasts 3weeks in standby, more when you only turn it on when you need it of course.

Focus time is now only a matter of taking the right phone with me when I leave the house, or turning the smartphone off for a while. But there are some drawbacks, i.e. I would love for the feature phone to have a better camera.

Re: Put down devices, let your mind wander, study suggests

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Has anyone experimented with having a "dumb phone" and taking that with them just in-case people need to contact them or for emergencies? Lately, I've had a few times when I accidentally left my phone at home and after an hour or so realized how much fun I've had without it.

I depend on my phone as a tool. Alarms, calendar, Google Pay and so on. Instead I worked really hard to suppress the loud parts. Notification control, ad blocker rules, very few apps, and so on. I'd say it works well enough.

I observed a similar "defense" mechanism on myself. I struggled with the thought of not having a phones and rationalizing why I can't do this, which is also a common defense mechanism for addictions. The truth is, the rationalization is often completely made up. I.e. in your case, you can get an alarm clock (or a cheap wristwatch with alarm), a paper calendar/planner (or simply a tiny notebook to write down stuff) and your old-fashioned credit card.

Now, I totally accept that the phone does provide some value and comfort when dealing with those things, and not having one makes life a teeny-bit less comfortable. But you have to think, is my attention and the ability to have deep, focused thoughts more worth than saving some seconds to minutes of a day when taking down notes or setting an alarm clock. Because thats usually what it boils down to, the phone saves you only seconds to minutes a day for usefull work, but you waste hours on doom-scrolling and having your attention taken away throughout the day.

Re: Put down devices, let your mind wander, study suggests

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Any idea how to get rid of vicious cycles? I like letting my mind wander, but often I hit unpleasent thoughts and it throws me off.

The only way out is through. Therapy while "being away from the pressure"* helped me.

* Go away from your job / family / country / ... - whereever you feel the pressure arises.

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