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Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by unixhero »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #22
unixhero wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No dude. They are reimagining the firmware and ROMs on the mother board, and so on. I recommend looking further into it.

This is sarcasm, right?

It is not. I listened to their podcast and got my information from there, straight from Cantrill.

Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by FlyingSnake »

I knew without opening the link that it's about Rochester MN. I have a love/hate relationship with AS/400 and I think they're interesting in their own unique way. Systems like SUN/SPARC, Power, 68k etc all have become parts of history, but AS/400 (iSeries) and s360 (Mainframes) keep chugging on.

I recently visited Poco in Berlin and was pleasantly surprised to see them using AS/400 terminals. I also know it is used in several finance companies like Societe General.

Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by nikau »

zozbot234 wrote: post #30
nikau wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to read some of the hype around 0xide, it seems like its just some software ontop of a blade system?

Not a blade. They're selling whole racks because that's the level that the hyperscalers work at, and Oxide are trying to bring the same class of systems to on-prem deployments. The closest comparison would be to something like modern mainframes, though the provided featureset might be subtly different. (For one thing, Oxide systems are ordinary x86 systems at the CPU architecture level; it's just "everything else" th…

Typical blade servers are around 10RU in size and have similar function of shared powersupplies, backplane, network etc.

so 0xide is like a massive full rack sized blade enclosure so all blades can talk to each other over fast interconnects?

Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by nikau »

jgalt212 wrote: post #6
nikau wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to read some of the hype around 0xide, it seems like its just some software ontop of a blade system?

Perhaps, but if their secret sauce produces a much better product, I'm not terribly concerned that the value-add is a software-based and not hardware-based.

Yeah I'm not arguing for or against their product, just genuinely curious to know what differentiates them from existing blade servers hosting kubernetes or something.

Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by nix23 »

unixhero wrote: post #33

We needed AS400 Opel Sourced. IBM are you listening?

Pff it's ibm, they don't even give free emulated developer licenses for z/os. It's like they don't care...give no access to mainframe programming an being late to cloud (even with redhat) and only big-bet on quantum computing leaves IBM in such a bad spot it's not even funny anymore.

But hey MVS3.8,VM/370 and DOS/VS is "opensource/public-domain".

MVS:

http://www.prince-webdesign.nl/index.php/software/update-on-...

VM/370:

http://www.vm370.org/vm

DOS/VS:

http://www.vm370.org/dos

Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by throwawaylinux »

unixhero wrote: post #31
throwawaylinux wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sarcasm, right?

It is not. I listened to their podcast and got my information from there, straight from Cantrill.

It just doesn't seem to offer much, for all the grandiose claims. Who is going to pay a premium to have "reimagined" firmware and ROMs? Or yet another proprietary hypervisor? Or a stack that seems to be built around Solaris?

It looks like a vanity or nostalgia project started by old Solaris folk, as far as I've seen.

Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by throwawaylinux »

zozbot234 wrote: post #30
nikau wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to read some of the hype around 0xide, it seems like its just some software ontop of a blade system?

Not a blade. They're selling whole racks because that's the level that the hyperscalers work at, and Oxide are trying to bring the same class of systems to on-prem deployments. The closest comparison would be to something like modern mainframes, though the provided featureset might be subtly different. (For one thing, Oxide systems are ordinary x86 systems at the CPU architecture level; it's just "everything else" th…

Hyperscalers do their own boards, chassis, BMCs, racks, etc., and can do their firmware (or modifications to it) though. Several are even getting into their own CPU designs. They don't want any boutique designs controlled by other companies there. And they don't want to pay premiums for it. They certainly don't want to run a proprietary hypervisor / host OS stack on it.

Re: Inside an IBM AS/400 eSeries Factory [video]

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Post by phendrenad2 »

tablespoon wrote: post #27

One of the comments on the video: > Randy Schnier > 8 hours ago ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m53H0pO2FD4&lc=Ugzs2gCWlsh1_... ) > I worked at this IBM site as an engineer for almost 30 years, leaving in 2012. Several divisions were based there besides AS/400, including IBM Software Group that was responsible for the WebSphere Application Server family of products. As the video mentions, at its peak around the yea…

Once you notice the "things in the rear to prevent the customer from pushing it up against the wall and blocking the cooling system" you notice this everywhere. Refrigerators, test equipment, microwave ovens.
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