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Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by BooneJS »

jb510 wrote: post #35
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

80% of water in California is used by agriculture, we’ll stop “stealing” water when you all stop “stealing” Cattle and Dairy, Almonds, Grapes, Lettuce, Strawberries, Tomatoes, and more a that we grow with water. Unless you’d rather buy that all shipped in from South America instead….

I think we need a come-to-Jesus talk about almonds. The water required per nut is not sustainable.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by tshaddox »

jb510 wrote: post #35
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

80% of water in California is used by agriculture, we’ll stop “stealing” water when you all stop “stealing” Cattle and Dairy, Almonds, Grapes, Lettuce, Strawberries, Tomatoes, and more a that we grow with water. Unless you’d rather buy that all shipped in from South America instead….

If only there was some way for the sale price of a bag of almonds to incorporate the costs of the materials required to produce the almonds.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by rr808 »

Bear in mind that solar power is the future of energy - and the Western half of the USA will be the best place for that. Perhaps electricity for water is a fair swap?

I dont like in general enabling people to live wasteful lives, but at the same time I feel like we've given up on big engineering projects. Most of the infrastructure we enjoy using in the US and other countries was built 100 years ago. Railway lines, bridges, hydro dams, motorways nothing new is being built any more.

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Post by space_fountain »

stmfreak wrote: post #16
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Agreed. I’m in California and it is pretty obvious our water problems are due to outflows exceeding inflows. They are draining the reservoirs faster than ever. They were full three years ago and are supposed to last five to seven years of drought, by design. Meanwhile, natural reservoirs like Tahoe do not even recognize there in a drought.

Lake Tahoe has dropped from it's most recent peak in 2019 and inflows do appear to be lower than normal, though perhaps normal should just be thought of as having changed

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by kickout »

rr808 wrote: post #54

Bear in mind that solar power is the future of energy - and the Western half of the USA will be the best place for that. Perhaps electricity for water is a fair swap? I dont like in general enabling people to live wasteful lives, but at the same time I feel like we've given up on big engineering projects. Most of the infrastructure we enjoy using in the US and other countries was built 100 years ago. Railway lines, b…

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Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by esalman »

alar44 wrote: post #40
jb510 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

80% of water in California is used by agriculture, we’ll stop “stealing” water when you all stop “stealing” Cattle and Dairy, Almonds, Grapes, Lettuce, Strawberries, Tomatoes, and more a that we grow with water. Unless you’d rather buy that all shipped in from South America instead….

Sure, we'll just grow it in the midwest, ie, the rest of the country. Only reason we grow mostly corn is because of subsidies. That can be easily changed. If you're suggesting CA is the only viable farmland in the country, you are mistaken.

I don't think that's the only reason, and it is not by choice either. California weather is more temperate than the rest of the US and it is more suitable for many types of crops compared to the rest of the US.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by alar44 »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #14

We can do without the water. If the country could do without the crops. As a Californian, I don't mind. But I have ran across some people who simultaneously think we need to keep growing, but, refuse to consider the idea of helping us with our water problem. It isn't a California problem. One way or another, it's a USA problem. Food or water. Pick your poison.

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Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by pvg »

kickout wrote: post #9
ramraj07 wrote: post #7

This seems like the correct thing to do. There was at one point in time a more popular push in India to “connect all the rivers”. I was too young to fully understand what that meant, and also it’s not always easy to know whether something that’s proposed is truly feasible. But infrastructure to move water around your country especially when a large chunk is a desert makes perfect sense. I originally imagined this wou…

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Travesty or not, not-posting regional flamewar all over the thread would be a good start.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by mbg721 »

logicalmind wrote: post #38
hijinks wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

once CA dries up the person above will then complain their food prices rose 4-5x because CA can't produce any food for them anymore. How about CA trades food for water.

The Great Lakes area is unable to produce food for about 6 months out of the year. So as long as people in the Great Lakes are eating preserved foods only during that time. I am fine with that trade.

Even if this were true, which states are putting sauerkraut on their bratwurst for sport??
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