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Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by skybrian »

kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Consider the difference between stealing and buying water, and that often, in the Mississippi watershed, there is too much water.

Selling water you don't need or want and getting paid for it doesn't seem like a bad thing? Although, a lot depends on the price.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by jvanderbot »

This is the worst take that I can't avoid hearing about.

How does one build a canal that moves water uphill for 1500 miles across the continental divide in these quantities? If not a canal, then how do we do it? Pipes?

We're talking a million cubic feet per second in the Colorado river during high times, which has been completely drained and diverted by communities downstream.

The keystone pipeline carries 50 cubic feet per second. The largest pipeline in the world carries 1.5x that. Nowhere close to what a functional river provides.

So, either antigravity so the Mississippi flows uphill, or 20,000 keystone pipelines.

Desalination plus local pumping is much, much less science fiction.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by kickout »

ramraj07 wrote: post #15
kickout wrote: post #9

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What exactly is greedy about ”westerners” than those in the east? People just set their homes wherever they felt convenient assuming their taxes would get them the water they need. Sounds like you’re just bringing in prejudiced politics into a discussion about getting water to everyone in your country. Also, inconsistent? Pretty sure the biggest water guzzlers everywhere, the farmers vote republican.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_water_wars

Tell me how CA hasn’t been greedy in their pursuit of water

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by alar44 »

ramraj07 wrote: post #7

This seems like the correct thing to do. There was at one point in time a more popular push in India to “connect all the rivers”. I was too young to fully understand what that meant, and also it’s not always easy to know whether something that’s proposed is truly feasible. But infrastructure to move water around your country especially when a large chunk is a desert makes perfect sense. I originally imagined this wou…

No, it's the stupid status quo thing to do. People need to move where resources are, not shift resources across an entire fucking continent doing god knows what to the ecosystems in between.

This godlike arrogance thinking we can just rearrange the earth on a whim for our needs is the fucking problem. This is why humanity is a cancer.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by chrisbrandow »

stmfreak wrote: post #16
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Agreed. I’m in California and it is pretty obvious our water problems are due to outflows exceeding inflows. They are draining the reservoirs faster than ever. They were full three years ago and are supposed to last five to seven years of drought, by design. Meanwhile, natural reservoirs like Tahoe do not even recognize there in a drought.

The outflows exceed the inflows suddenly because the inflows have dwindled of late.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by zactato »

kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

It’s mostly used by agriculture. A large portion of the food you’re eating come from CA. I think there are some major crops that need to be rethought, but a broad crop failure would be pretty devastating to a lot of people in the US

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Post by colineartheta »

kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Would you dare to elaborate?

I frequently see this sentiment, yet have never once seen any detail made as to how it’s possible. Please explain.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by jtdev »

skybrian wrote: post #21
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Consider the difference between stealing and buying water, and that often, in the Mississippi watershed, there is too much water. Selling water you don't need or want and getting paid for it doesn't seem like a bad thing? Although, a lot depends on the price.

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