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A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by cryptophreak »

themodelplumber wrote: post #8
hprotagonist wrote: post #3

As a few ex-Mormons have pointed out, Sparks was not the first Mormon to publish a text ostensibly based on an original source that the rest of the world did not get to see. Hah!

That's not true. The original people who saw it (with their spiritual senses) also claimed that others could know it was real (with their spiritual senses). If the world didn't get to see it, or can't see the literal face of, or a pointy appendage of God, or can't see the difference between this religion and every other religion that makes claims based on one's subjective spiritual senses, then that's a problem for t…

Probably because one man's important details is another's gibberish.

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by shijie »

themodelplumber wrote: post #8
hprotagonist wrote: post #3

As a few ex-Mormons have pointed out, Sparks was not the first Mormon to publish a text ostensibly based on an original source that the rest of the world did not get to see. Hah!

That's not true. The original people who saw it (with their spiritual senses) also claimed that others could know it was real (with their spiritual senses). If the world didn't get to see it, or can't see the literal face of, or a pointy appendage of God, or can't see the difference between this religion and every other religion that makes claims based on one's subjective spiritual senses, then that's a problem for t…

> Why does everyone leave out the important details??

Most people are more interested in a narrative than they are the truth.

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by arise »

themodelplumber wrote: post #8
hprotagonist wrote: post #3

As a few ex-Mormons have pointed out, Sparks was not the first Mormon to publish a text ostensibly based on an original source that the rest of the world did not get to see. Hah!

That's not true. The original people who saw it (with their spiritual senses) also claimed that others could know it was real (with their spiritual senses). If the world didn't get to see it, or can't see the literal face of, or a pointy appendage of God, or can't see the difference between this religion and every other religion that makes claims based on one's subjective spiritual senses, then that's a problem for t…

With all due respect, this is an extremely theological version of the Emperor's New Clothes: conveniently non-falsifiable and if anyone points it out, they're a bad person.

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by rayiner »

ck2 wrote: post #9
CoastalCoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pithy, but calling BS on each other's world views is probably the road to flagged comments.

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> even worse suppressing women and minorities

Christianity and faith that everyone was created equal in the eyes of God was essential to inventing the concept of racial equality at a time when science couldn’t prove that assertion. Put yourself in 1850–looking around at societies in the world as they existed then—and make a scientific case for racial equality powerful enough to convince hundreds of thousands of free people to sacrifice their lives for it. Even today there’s nowhere more zealously committed to the notion of racial equality than Christian countries.

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by fumeux_fume »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #6
hprotagonist wrote: post #3

As a few ex-Mormons have pointed out, Sparks was not the first Mormon to publish a text ostensibly based on an original source that the rest of the world did not get to see. Hah!

It's pithy, but calling BS on each other's world views is probably the road to flagged comments.

No post body was provided.

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by bolt7469 »

hprotagonist wrote: post #3

As a few ex-Mormons have pointed out, Sparks was not the first Mormon to publish a text ostensibly based on an original source that the rest of the world did not get to see. Hah!

TFA is blatantly wrong:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/th... https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/ei...

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by woodruffw »

> Utah, reputed to be the fraud capital of America; the state is estimated by some to boast a Ponzi scheme for every hundred thousand people

Small tangent, but does anybody in Utah have insight into why this might be? This is bewildering to me.

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by bequanna »

ck2 wrote: post #9
CoastalCoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pithy, but calling BS on each other's world views is probably the road to flagged comments.

Quoted post unavailable.

What an incredibly shallow and immature take on religion.

Not everyone who chooses to be involved with a religion has an IQ lower than you or believes in magic.

You’re missing something. Something important that religion provides for Billions of people.

Re: A Mormon housewife turned a fake diary into an enormous best-seller

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Post by dang »

hprotagonist wrote: post #3

As a few ex-Mormons have pointed out, Sparks was not the first Mormon to publish a text ostensibly based on an original source that the rest of the world did not get to see. Hah!

Let's not go into a religious flamewar please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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