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Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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I read the article expecting to see terrible actions by Amazon fighting the union. Instead the article was about the Teamsters union convincing local governments to block Amazon from opening buildings, and Amazon "fighting back" by increasing their hiring of needy ex-cons and minorities from local colleges, ending their marijuana drug tests, and otherwise working to ingratiate themselves with their comminities. The T…

They seem to be very positive influence on amzn

Nice, that's a good way to look at it!

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Next time you're at a union meeting, ask them about any boxes they own at sports stadiums. Ask if you as a paid union member can use the box that you are paying for with your dues.

While you're at it ask your corporate boss if you can use his private jet since it is your labor making him wealthy after all. I'm sure he'll be very generous.

I agree that powerful people aren't great but it seems ridiculous to imagine that union bosses are the worst offenders.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Do you honestly believe that Jeff Bezos, one of the wealthiest people on the planet, who just shot himself into space on a private rocket, is worried about his personal safety because of the president of the teamsters?

Uh, no I do not, it just seemed like a relevant movie reference...

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Next time you're at a union meeting, ask them about any boxes they own at sports stadiums. Ask if you as a paid union member can use the box that you are paying for with your dues.

While I don't like things like luxury boxes for the big wigs, a union exec would have the same justification as any business exec would. In fact, a union exec might have even more justification as I can imagine nearly their entire job is schmoozing executives and politicians.

You could make the same argument about bags of coke and keeping hookers on retainer.

At a point you need to draw the line admit what is simply corruption.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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They will spend money on literally anything else except wage increases.

Most people that work for Amazon in the warehouse like working there. All you're hearing are from the union plants that are coordinating with media that both want to see Amazon fail. Meanwhile the fact that unions are having such a hard time gaining traction show that most of the members feel like they don't need it. The idea that you can intimidate hundreds of thousands of workers across the US is ludicrous.

> Most people that work for Amazon in the warehouse like working there.

Isn't the retention rate at Amazon warehouses abysmal?

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> when it's literally a companies goal to pay people as little as is functionally possible The meme that “fiduciary duty” means “maximise revenue at all costs” needs to die. This is a falsehood that has been debunked repeatedly.

Your two sentences in this thread is hardly debunking anything. What is Amazon maximizing if not profit? It certainly is not employee share of revenue or employee well being.

Corporations are allowed to exist to create a positive net good. ie: the social contract works so long as we can plausibly reason that they, you know, actually benefit people more than they harm. Maximizing profit is a lie told to children for reasons I won't get into, but when it displaces the social contract, the end result is a justification of all sorts of socially pathological behavior, this included.

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I'm not sure which planet you are on, but warehouse workers earn way less than $20/hr in most of the US, Europe or anywhere else.

Many warehouses pay well over 20$/hour and others significantly less. What’s rarely mentioned is while Amazon’s compensation is roughly in line with industry norms, the workload is however much worse.

Care to give some support for this intangible and unverifiable complaint?

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I'm sure people would still be griping, but nothing is static. The cost of everything keeps increasing and honestly, depending on where you live even at 20 dollars an hour it will be hard to make ends meet. There will always be a struggle between labor and employer where each will seek to maximize their share, it's the system we have set up. I really don't think people should be faulted for pushing for more when it's…

> when it's literally a companies goal to pay people as little as is functionally possible The meme that “fiduciary duty” means “maximise revenue at all costs” needs to die. This is a falsehood that has been debunked repeatedly.

The only point of a company is to maximize shareholder value. You're right, that doesn't always mean "maximize revenue at all costs.” It usually does though, because especially as a growth company that's what shareholders want. Obviously there are competing priorities, but overall most shareholders want to maximize discounted profit, and all their priorities reflect how that should be done.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Sensationalized? This is disinformation.

"Disinformation" that uses the exact phrasing from the Amazon document?

You can absolutely misrepresent what someone is saying by using quotes out of context.
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