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Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Quotation marks implies they are directly quoting from the leaked memo, i.e. not a sensationalized headline.

That's not how quoting works. You can't just quote one word and then put something else behind it. There's a difference between "neutralizing unions" and "neutralizing labor's attempt to ..." It's like the difference between "we need to kill him" and "we need to kill his attempt to pass a law that would..."

"labor" as a noun is a synonym for union

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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post #40

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> when it's literally a companies goal to pay people as little as is functionally possible The meme that “fiduciary duty” means “maximise revenue at all costs” needs to die. This is a falsehood that has been debunked repeatedly.

Your two sentences in this thread is hardly debunking anything. What is Amazon maximizing if not profit? It certainly is not employee share of revenue or employee well being.

The point is that there’s no law that says companies must maximize profit at the expense of everything else. The fiduciary duty is to be responsible with shareholder’s money, not to maximize return on investment.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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I'm sure people would still be griping, but nothing is static. The cost of everything keeps increasing and honestly, depending on where you live even at 20 dollars an hour it will be hard to make ends meet. There will always be a struggle between labor and employer where each will seek to maximize their share, it's the system we have set up. I really don't think people should be faulted for pushing for more when it's…

> The cost of everything keeps increasing and honestly, depending on where you live even at 20 dollars an hour it will be hard to make ends meet. And if you bump everyone to $20, things will get more expensive and then you'll have to bump them to $22, and then everything will get more expensive so you'll...

This is so exaggerated as to be silly. The cost of "things" has many components, and only a small fraction of them trace back to the hourly wage of low-paid domestic workers. Increasing low-end wages by 10% does not result in 10% additional inflation.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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Purposefully manipulative headlines like this are why I don't trust most articles from sources like vox. The headline is used in a way to make it seem like Amazon is targeting students that are vulnerable to them, meanwhile Amazon is targeting those that would benefit the most in society, because they are most vulnerable to economic issues, like ex-inmates and students. Vox is doing its best to manipulate their words…

An ad that locked the browser on my iPhone telling me I won various prizes lowered my trust of Vox as well.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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They will spend money on literally anything else except wage increases.

They were the first to $15, literally leading a nationwide wage increase for low skill labor, and now they pay closer to $18 by me. For people trying to hate Amazon at any cost, the goalposts keep shifting. If Amazon announced $20 minimum tomorrow, there is no doubt in my mind that people would still be griping. And even when people concede that Amazon pays industry leading wages, it's "whatabout" the urine bottles a…

The goalposts are “good working conditions”. You can track this with retention, which is notably terrible at Amazon.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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post #49

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> The cost of everything keeps increasing and honestly, depending on where you live even at 20 dollars an hour it will be hard to make ends meet. And if you bump everyone to $20, things will get more expensive and then you'll have to bump them to $22, and then everything will get more expensive so you'll...

Except that's not at all true. Historic raises in the minimum wage did not cause an inflationary response in goods nor currency.

>Historic raises in the minimum wage did not cause an inflationary response in goods nor currency.

The "historic raises in the minimum wage" were also very conservative and decried by proponents of $15/$20/whatever minimum wage as being too low. A one time pay bump won't cause serious issues, but giving in to ever increasing demands for minimum wage (ie. $15 last year, $20 this year, $25 the year after) will.

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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So apparently “neutralize” is the big bad trigger word here despite this quote? > Teamsters General President Sean O’Brien told Recode in July that his union is intent on “ disrupting [Amazon’s] network until they get to a point where they surrender

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Do you honestly believe that Jeff Bezos, one of the wealthiest people on the planet, who just shot himself into space on a private rocket, is worried about his personal safety because of the president of the teamsters?

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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They will spend money on literally anything else except wage increases.

Most people that work for Amazon in the warehouse like working there. All you're hearing are from the union plants that are coordinating with media that both want to see Amazon fail. Meanwhile the fact that unions are having such a hard time gaining traction show that most of the members feel like they don't need it. The idea that you can intimidate hundreds of thousands of workers across the US is ludicrous.

Could it not also be that unions are having a hard time gaining traction because Amazon is taking illegal anti-union measures in their warehouses? The NLRB gave merit to complaints of illegal activities like threatening workers who were voting to unionize: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgdejj/amazon-repeatedly-vio...

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure people would still be griping, but nothing is static. The cost of everything keeps increasing and honestly, depending on where you live even at 20 dollars an hour it will be hard to make ends meet. There will always be a struggle between labor and employer where each will seek to maximize their share, it's the system we have set up. I really don't think people should be faulted for pushing for more when it's…

> The cost of everything keeps increasing and honestly, depending on where you live even at 20 dollars an hour it will be hard to make ends meet. And if you bump everyone to $20, things will get more expensive and then you'll have to bump them to $22, and then everything will get more expensive so you'll...

Considering that at the same time that inflation has been at the highest in years, corporate profits have been the highest ever. Maybe those two are much more related than wage and inflation?

Re: Leaked memo reveals Amazon’s plans to combat the Teamsters in California

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I really dislike sensationalized headlines like this. A more accurate one might say: > Amazon's plan to counter pressure from the Teamsters Union focuses on investing in non-profits. For those who didn't read the article: A leaked Amazon memo shows that the Teamsters Union is effectively putting pressure on Amazon by convincing its members to pressure politicians into not granting Amazon tax breaks, land grants, etc.…

Hey, I gave to a charity. Why don't local politicians give me tax breaks?!? Honestly, this sort of idea is such an anathema to the idea of fairness, and an indictment of politics. Be a big enough company, and then you can effectively bribe politicians into giving you money from local tax payers that you can then use to destroy those same local businesses and communities. Genius.

> Hey, I gave to a charity. Why don't local politicians give me tax breaks?!?

Aren't charitable donations tax deductible?

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