Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

wsj.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 72 posts

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#61

Post by catchnear4321 »

josephcsible wrote: post #58
999900000999 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easi…

> The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. This sounds like being against democracy because you won't always be in the majority. > Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day The word "many" is doing a lot of work there. Most people's commutes are way shorter than that.

I want to agree, but to flip the description around a little, maybe exaggerate, a little devil’s advocacy if you will…

If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them?

A bit of hyperbole, for sure, but if it ever isn’t…

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#62

Post by josephcsible »

999900000999 wrote: post #60
josephcsible wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. This sounds like being against democracy because you won't always be in the majority. > Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day The word "many" is doing a lot of work there. Most people's commutes are way shorter than that.

For my first salary job, my commute was about 4 hours or so More junior people, say an entry level employee who still lives at home, will have longer commutes. I am absolutely not seeing it any sort of majority that wants to go back to the office, it's more like corporate desperately wants it and enough people are like, oh they promised to give us extra bagels, sure. As long as I'm doing my work, I want the freedom t…

> For my first salary job, my commute was about 4 hours or so

Sure, but I think you were an outlier, very far from typical.

> More junior people, say an entry level employee who still lives at home, will have longer commutes.

Longer, sure, but I still don't think anywhere near 4 hours.

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#63

Post by josephcsible »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #61
josephcsible wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. This sounds like being against democracy because you won't always be in the majority. > Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day The word "many" is doing a lot of work there. Most people's commutes are way shorter than that.

I want to agree, but to flip the description around a little, maybe exaggerate, a little devil’s advocacy if you will… If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them? A bit of hyperbole, for sure, but if it ever isn’t…

> If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them?

This reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1170/ - if everyone but you is voting for that, there's probably something going on other than that you're the only sane one.

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#64

Post by catchnear4321 »

josephcsible wrote: post #63
catchnear4321 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to agree, but to flip the description around a little, maybe exaggerate, a little devil’s advocacy if you will… If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them? A bit of hyperbole, for sure, but if it ever isn’t…

> If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them? This reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1170/ - if everyone but you is voting for that, there's probably something going on other than that you're the only sane one.

That just seems like hyperbole in the other direction though. Plenty of teenagers do incredibly dumb things as groups, due to group dynamics.

So do plenty of adults. But due to several reasons, such as age, they are adults, not kids.

If everyone votes for cake and ice cream in hell except for me, you damn well know they don’t like me and found out I’m lactose intolerant. Fuck that I’m taking my toys and going home.

Yes, all silly examples.

Bystander effect may have a shaky origin, replying to you with a quote from boondocks saints would be disingenuous, but it isn’t worth ruling out what has come from that little seed of an idea based upon some erroneous reporting of a horrible event.

Without knowing why everyone voted for cake and ice cream, all I can do is recognize that it was a very peculiar decision. I’m not grabbing my assault rifle type 15 machine gun straight away and shouting 1776, but I won’t be shrugging off that idea and clocking in without a damn fine explanation.

Unlike people jumping off a bridge, it won’t need split-second decision making.

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#65

Post by throwaway5959 »

rayiner wrote: post #45
throwaway5959 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peggy Noonan has failed to be relevant for decades and is now a total waste of space. She was recently on Meet the Press where she said Republicans could use their “victory” as an opportunity to go after women voters by changing their tune. She should retire already. What a ghoul. https://www.rawstory.com/peggy-noonan-abortion/

While I agree Peggy Noonan is a Reagan era holdover, this is a poor example of that. Your average “woman” isn’t a college educated white liberal in a big city. There’s a large number of conservative women who oppose abortion, and the majority are squeamish about it and support making it illegal after 13 weeks. That’s especially true of minority voters. Just 29% of Hispanic households that speak Spanish at home think…

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-i...

That’s not what these numbers say. Can you list sources?

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#66

Post by JamesBarney »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #65
rayiner wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree Peggy Noonan is a Reagan era holdover, this is a poor example of that. Your average “woman” isn’t a college educated white liberal in a big city. There’s a large number of conservative women who oppose abortion, and the majority are squeamish about it and support making it illegal after 13 weeks. That’s especially true of minority voters. Just 29% of Hispanic households that speak Spanish at home think…

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-i... That’s not what these numbers say. Can you list sources?

I don't think the numbers you posted disagree with what he said at all. If you make abortion illegal at the 13th week with exceptions for the next two trimesters for rape/incest/fetal viability/health of the mother you end up with 96% of currently performed abortions would still be legal.

So I'd like to make abortion illegal after the 13th week is totally compatible with I'd like abortion be legal in most cases.

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#67

Post by throwaway5959 »

JamesBarney wrote: post #66
throwaway5959 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-i... That’s not what these numbers say. Can you list sources?

I don't think the numbers you posted disagree with what he said at all. If you make abortion illegal at the 13th week with exceptions for the next two trimesters for rape/incest/fetal viability/health of the mother you end up with 96% of currently performed abortions would still be legal. So I'd like to make abortion illegal after the 13th week is totally compatible with I'd like abortion be legal in most cases.

Yeah but that’s not what a lot of states that want to ban abortion are doing.

Edit: honestly, I don’t care. I’m too tired to argue minutiae. Goodnight.

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#68

Post by spywaregorilla »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #19
spywaregorilla wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you considered finding a new restaurant and trying it without coworkers

It lacks the social component. That being said, and to your point, taking oneself out to a restaurant, especially a new one, is worth trying for anyone that hasn’t. And I’m showing my age. Not like dining alone means things like SMS stop working. Or whatever people use these days. It can be social.

im puzzled by people assuming its either with coworkers or alone

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#69

Post by rayiner »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #65
rayiner wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree Peggy Noonan is a Reagan era holdover, this is a poor example of that. Your average “woman” isn’t a college educated white liberal in a big city. There’s a large number of conservative women who oppose abortion, and the majority are squeamish about it and support making it illegal after 13 weeks. That’s especially true of minority voters. Just 29% of Hispanic households that speak Spanish at home think…

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-i... That’s not what these numbers say. Can you list sources?

See: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23167397/abortion-pu... and https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx and https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/06/jayapals-...

Insofar as the de facto democrat position is elective abortion to 24 weeks, federal funding, no counseling or waiting periods, and tolerance of “celebrate your abortion” messaging, that cedes territory to the GOP. In states like Texas, 20% of Democrats support abortion only in cases of rape or incest or where the mother’s life is threatened. In those states, the GOP could triangulate a winning position through a heartbeat law coupled with more government support for mothers and children.

Re: The Lonely Office Is Bad for America

#70

Post by rayiner »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #67
JamesBarney wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the numbers you posted disagree with what he said at all. If you make abortion illegal at the 13th week with exceptions for the next two trimesters for rape/incest/fetal viability/health of the mother you end up with 96% of currently performed abortions would still be legal. So I'd like to make abortion illegal after the 13th week is totally compatible with I'd like abortion be legal in most cases.

Yeah but that’s not what a lot of states that want to ban abortion are doing. Edit: honestly, I don’t care. I’m too tired to argue minutiae. Goodnight.

Yeah, now Democrats are talking about total bans, exceptions for rape and incest, etc. But until a couple of months ago, the law of the land was elective abortions until the fetus was viable on the outside, and many 2020 DNC candidates wanted to push further: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/us/politics/abortion-laws...
Post reply on HN