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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by ugh »

vacri wrote: post #267
ugh wrote: post #138

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It’s possible to do but it would confuse. It doesn’t make sense conceptually .

I've not used lion so am not familiar with it, but going from what someone else is saying above, you need to 'duplicate' then 'save'. If it's autosaving, this doesn't make sense conceptually either. Why would the app not be autosaving once the duplicated document has been created? Why do you need to save separately?

You still have to save one first time, else the OS wouldn’t know where to put the file and how to name it. Lion only auto saves after that. That is irrespective of whether your create a new file or duplicate a file. (Apple could have been a lot more radical here, I’m unsure whether they should have been. That certainly would have meant a lot more work and it would have been an even more complicated transition.)

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Post by shadowfiend »

willifred wrote: post #158
shadowfiend wrote: post #8

There may be a good point hiding there, but I don't think he made it particularly well. He argues that OS X is getting worse. His specific complaint was that he couldn't find the Library folder to delete his mail. Two things to keep in mind: first off, people who set up Mail extremely rarely will want to delete their email. So on the list of use cases to optimize for, that one lives near the bottom of the ladder. Sec…

I was left wondering why didn't he just export his mailbox. Or add his GMail account to Mail.app and just drag and drop his old inbox into his new Google inbox. There is absolutely no 'lock-in' with Apple's Mail client. The strangest part was the line about how there were 'many things worse in Snow Leopard than in Leopard.' There was hardly anything different about Snow Leopard from a user's perspective, the things t…

Absolutely. I think people disliked the move away from the more “natural” exposé window sizing in SL vs Leopard. SL went with the equal-sized boxes approach. But that was one of the very few changes.

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Post by dredmorbius »

nitrogen wrote: post #248
kamechan wrote: post #238

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i tend not to use it for this very reason. i've wished, on more than one occasion, that a user could customize this action to be a "maximize vertically", as one could in gnome2. maybe i'm one of the few who actually used this, as it seems to have been phased out in gnome3. but i found it very useful.

You're not the only one to use vertical maximization. I really liked being able to middle-click the maximize button for vertical, or right-click for horizontal. It seems that's no longer the case in Gnome-3-hacked-to-look-like-Gnome-2-in-Ubuntu-11.10. I suppose it's replaced by Windows 7-style border dragging, but that's less flexible as you can only do maximize, left half, or right half.

I've got that action keybound to alt-space on my desktop.

Which would be WindowMaker.

Key benefits: virtually no development, Steve Jobs designed it, but for engineers on UNIX (well, NeXT), not idiots, and it's ~20 years old, so it's balazzzzzingly fucking fast on modern HW.

Stays the fuck out of my face, lets me get shit done.

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Post by ugh »

greggman wrote: post #265
ugh wrote: post #127

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I don’t think you understand. This is about paradigm shifts. Here is how it used to work: You open this old document because you want to create a new one and use the old one as a template. You either Save as right away or (much more likely) you edit for a bit and do a Save as at some later point. If you do this with auto save you are fucked. (Well, not really. There is now Versions, so starting with Lion this is fina…

And what if my workflow involves making multiple files based off the same document? Say I making png buttons in Photoshop. I change the test to "Order" pick save as, type "order.png", change the text to "Cancel" pick save as, type "cancel.png", change the text to "Help" pick save as, type "help.png". It sounds like that work flow just got massively tedious.

Duplicate → Save, Duplicate → Save.

One step turned two. Worse? Yes. Tedious? No. It’s worth it given the other conceptual changes and the fact that this is very much an edge case.

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Post by angstrom »

sycren wrote: post #268
kamechan wrote: post #238

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i tend not to use it for this very reason. i've wished, on more than one occasion, that a user could customize this action to be a "maximize vertically", as one could in gnome2. maybe i'm one of the few who actually used this, as it seems to have been phased out in gnome3. but i found it very useful.

I think I use tools like Divvy http://mizage.com/#macdivvy more than I use the zoom icon, it makes it so much easier to position windows..

Looks a little like ShiftIt (a similar utility) http://code.google.com/p/shiftit/

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Post by uptown »

For me, the only problem I've encountered since installing Lion has been that Tweetdeck is no longer usable. I experience some strange window-focus issue where while that app is running, doing something entirely unrelated like typing a URL in Chrome's address bar will cause a random application to jump to the foreground. I've tried re-installing AIR, Tweetdeck ... though not Lion. I have no idea how to solve this. It worked fine prior to the Lion install.

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Post by ugh »

vacri wrote: post #269
dasil003 wrote: post #193

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Have you ever used a 30" display? Maximizing windows does not make a whole lot of sense there, especially considering the difference in window contents on Windows vs Mac (ie. self-contained menubar, etc).

What proportion of OSX users use 30" displays? Hell, what proportion of them use desktop-variety computers?

1440x900 screen, absolutely can’t stand maximized windows – hate them, actually.

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Post by daniel_iversen »

I don't really know why people are so upset. I was a hardcore windows user and I've been a Mac user now for 11 months and I love it! I don't think I will ever go back to windows and to say that Mac is going off track and turning into windows because of something this small is just crazy.. Short of something like the iPad, OS X more than Windows is A step in the right direction of how personal computing should be, it "just works"..

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Post by statictype »

wes-exp wrote: post #183
statictype wrote: post #80

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They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it He meant, you can click anywhere in the window and use Alt. If you left-click, it moves the window. If you middle-click it (apparently - I did not know this) will resize the window. Mac OS X has oddly small targets for many of the Window management things. You have to be careful with the mouse when finding a resize corner…

FYI, I just installed duplicity and rdiff-backup through Homebrew and it worked flawlessly. Agree that MacPorts is crap. But Homebrew is actually pretty good.

Thanks. Will try it.

Edit: Yup, flawless installation and fast. Thanks again! I wish I had found this when I was trying to re-install Python Imaging Library after upgrading to Lion. I might have saved half a day.

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Post by oinksoft »

__david__ wrote: post #254
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

> In the default Terminal app, there are no shortcuts (at least none that I could figure out) for moving around the text I'm typing quickly, like going forward and back a whole word, or going Home or End, you have to hold down the left or right arrows for a while. What? I don't think you understand how terminals work! The terminal commands (on every terminal I've used for the past 20 years) are interpreted by the ser…

If what __david__ says is new to anyone, I suggest you become familiar with http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/readline/readline.html#SEC13

Terminals border on unusable without knowing these commands.

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