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Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by inyorgroove »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #176
inyorgroove wrote: post #118

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I've interviewed with them twice (2016 & 2022), didn't receive any feed back other than a generic decline e-mail. And this was despite promises to the contrary from recruiters, I was ghosted when I asked for it too. I even recall teaching the interviewer some javascript quirk during a coding challenge the first time and solved whatever silly brain teaser question that was asked, with test cases too! Yet zero feedback…

So your personal experience with the processes of $BIG_CORP don't live up to the fairy tails $BIG_CORP spins in their blogs, talks and other public relations material? I am shocked, shocked!

They try to paint this feedback as a big difference about themselves is the only reason I brought it up.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by rleigh »

blep_ wrote: post #191
gorgoiler wrote: post #138

Gitlab is a big name with a big headcount and a big… I don’t want to sound rude here, but a big ego, too. What does my org use it for? A git repository to which we can push and pull, CI, and code review. I constantly feel like I’m missing a party of awesome features and stuff and I feel that way because what Gitlab does for me compared with the perception it projects into the world seem different by several orders of…

A lot of companies feel that way, tbh. Capitalism encourages growth. It's considered weird to just stop building things when you've built everything you initially wanted to.

It's understandable, but at the same time it also feels like they are pushing away the very people who should be their core customer base.

My paid subscription ends later this month and it isn't being renewed; I'm reverting to the "free" subscription. I'm prefer not to. I would like to pay them for the service they are providing, but like many SaaS companies they have created a pricing structure that does not have anything in between "free" and "very expensive". GitLab might be value for money if you use every bell and whistle in the tier you pay for, but if you don't the value proposition does not seem to be there.

I understand that I'm likely not one of the corporate "whales" they are after, but I would like to think that there would have been a solid, if less profitable, business in providing services to the smaller outfits as well. They have lost me as a customer, and not because I want to be cheap, but because I can't justify the value of their updated pricing model. I would even pay for some of the open source projects I host there because I don't like to be a freeloader, but again the gap between "free" and the first paid tier is simply too great.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by tomnipotent »

bradlys wrote: post #189
tomnipotent wrote: post #137

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How does HN have such ridiculous ideas of what other people are making? I had someone yesterday tell me that a mid-level marketing role at Stripe was pulling in 3-5M per year, and probably made 20M over their four years there. An SVP is pulling down a base of $300-600k, and stock comp (option grants & RSU's) may be doubling or even tripling that but very few are getting 10-100x base. Maybe C-levels, but even then I'd…

Varies a lot. I’ve seen people at smaller public companies get $5m+/yr offers and they managed maybe 15 people total. SV is weird - some people get really big offers. With crazy stock valuations and growth - some people do be getting big stacks. They might’ve gotten a $300k + 600k offer but then it turns into $300k + 3000k because stock went up 5x. Happens a lot here.

More people are struck by lightning than stumble into comp packages like these.

> $300k + 3000k

No one is getting millions of options/shares outside of founders and investors. A mid-stage growth start-up might give a few hundred thousand shares to a non-founding C-level exec, or a pre-IPO CFO taking point on going public might get close.

Outside of nepotism and incredibly rare skill sets aligned with growth initiatives, these deals only exist in our fantasies.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by bradlys »

tomnipotent wrote: post #203
bradlys wrote: post #189

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Varies a lot. I’ve seen people at smaller public companies get $5m+/yr offers and they managed maybe 15 people total. SV is weird - some people get really big offers. With crazy stock valuations and growth - some people do be getting big stacks. They might’ve gotten a $300k + 600k offer but then it turns into $300k + 3000k because stock went up 5x. Happens a lot here.

More people are struck by lightning than stumble into comp packages like these. > $300k + 3000k No one is getting millions of options/shares outside of founders and investors. A mid-stage growth start-up might give a few hundred thousand shares to a non-founding C-level exec, or a pre-IPO CFO taking point on going public might get close. Outside of nepotism and incredibly rare skill sets aligned with growth initiativ…

Stock appreciation... I was one of these people who saw 7 figure TC and I was just a senior IC. So, you're wrong. It's extremely common in SV. You have to be past $3.5m income to be in the 1% here. You think it's only execs at big companies making $3m+/yr?

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by SergeAx »

tristor wrote: post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

I understand you frustration, but this is how a free global market works. The cost of workforce depends on taxes and cost of life, primarily rent and utilities, then childcare and healthcare.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by SergeAx »

tomnipotent wrote: post #93
tristor wrote: post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

Locally-adjusted pay is a fluke if revenues are not locally constrained (like a coffee shop). It's just another way employers try and nickle and dime workers, and it's sad that a large class of workers have been brainwashed to support it because somehow they're more upset at the other workers making more, than the company trying to pull a fast on on them. "But you would make so much more than your neighbors!". Fuck o…

> I care what the company is earning from my labor and getting my fair share.

If you think that your work has more value than you are being paid, why don't you just stop working for those companies and start working for yourself?

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by CRConrad »

baby wrote: post #173
golergka wrote: post #117

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Location impacts that only if the hiring is constrained by location. If you hire remote worldwide, then by all means, go for the cheapest developers that you can find worldwide, or go for developers who have my skills. Either way, it doesn't matter where we live. Especially if (as myself and many others) we don't live in one place and travel between different countries with drastically different local income levels.

Not sure I understand. But remote companies are doing exactly that, they're hiring not based on location to get talent from the whole world, and then they pay accordingly to the market of the candidate.

> they pay accordingly to the market of the candidate.

But what, exactly, is "the market of the candidate"?

You seem to be claiming that for these remote employers, "the market" is their whole nation, or even the entire world... So why wouldn't that be "the market" for their remote employees too?

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by CRConrad »

john_cogs wrote: post #119
VoidWhisperer wrote: post #88

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Unfortunately the dashboard seems to be very broken now :(

GitLab team member here. Thanks for flagging. I contacted the owner of the dashboard and asked if they can get it working. Will report back if/when it is repaired.

Nine days later. Still down?

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by CRConrad »

ForHackernews wrote: post #56
kirbypineapple wrote: post #22

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Kraken has a few thousand employees, has been a remote first company for a decade, and pays the same no matter where you live.

Isn't Kraken part of the crypto game? Not sure they can be compared to more mature businesses. Are they paying their employees in tokens?

Ah, so this wasn't gitkraken that was meant, then?

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by CRConrad »

lucideer wrote: post #194
chrisan wrote: post #183

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> They're only asking for an explanation of your metric: that location based pay grades preclude leadership in remote working. I have yet to see any reasonable case for why this should be? Not sure how I reply to the comment below by lucideer, I guess HN has a limit on children? Anywho, this is for him, not you :) Isn't the burden of proof on the one making the claim? I have yet to see a reasonable case for why they…

> Isn't the burden of proof on the one making the claim? Yes. It is. > I have yet to see a reasonable case for why they should be called a global leader when they treat their workers differently for the same output. My point was no-one has made that claim (nor any similar positive claim - your rephrasing uses weasel words* to bias the interpretation) The claim being made is as follows: "paying workers geo-adjusted wa…

> The claim being made is as follows: "paying workers geo-adjusted wages precludes a company from being a global leader in remote work".

That's just a counter-claim; a denial of the original claim, which was Gitlab's "We are a global leader".

With quite a lot of people saying"No, your behaviour is by definition not that of a leader", I'd say the burden of proof still lies squarely on Gitlab's shoulders: They made a rather bold claim, they get to show that it isn't BS.

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