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Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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rosmax_1337 wrote: post #58
CuriousCosmic wrote: post #54

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All children are equally capable of learning but different children are receptive to different teaching styles and approaches. Only teaching children with a small selection of approaches that were primarily refined with middle to upper class white neuro-typical children can be considered discriminatory. That's the point of those studies. It would be like forcing a kid who is growing up in middle-to-upper class wester…

Is it true that all children are equally capable of learning?

When broken down by race, yes.

Economic status and two-parent vs one-parent households are both stronger indicators of educational achievement than pretty much any other, including race.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by shadowgovt »

RajT88 wrote: post #50
hinkley wrote: post #3

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Before the #MeToo movement there was a slow ramp of scandals about celebrities and for a while there every time someone posted about Fred I would recite a little litany in my head, Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood That went into overdrive after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up. And then by John Lassiter I was a momentary wreck every time Fred made the news. Fred Rogers has been gone long enough now th…

I enjoy casually horrifying people by mentioning that Fred Rogers had 2 children. Which means that he at least occasionally did the nasty.

Joanne is still here, and did a lot of work making sure Fred's projects had the forward direction he'd have wanted after he passed away.

She's an absolute delight and an accomplished pianist in addition to her other accolades.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by ravenstine »

ncr100 wrote: post #39
OJFord wrote: post #11

I watched Tom Hanks' portrayal on the plane a few months ago; being non-American and unfamiliar with the original programme, I was a good way in to the film before I started to suspect it was a 'docudrama' rather than the surrealist drama I'd thitherto thought! It was an enjoyable film about an apparently almost 'too good to be true' gentleman even without the context of having grown up with The Neighbourhood .

Rogers practiced effective communication for children, which I believe is worthwhile studying as an adult. Helps with clarity. Starts with: 1. State the idea you wish to express as clearly as possible, and in terms preschoolers can understand. Example: "It is dangerous to play in the street." 2. Rephrase in a positive manner, as in "It is good to play where it is safe." 3. Rephrase the idea, bearing in mind that pres…

In other words, he spoke to children as if they are inexperienced humans.

When speaking to children, adults often start with the assumption that children are inferior in some way to adults and therefore they can't be spoken to in a rational way. On the contrary, Mr. Rogers spoke to children in a way that didn't condescend, and did so effectively, not shoving too many ideas into a single statement or making his audience feel shame for not initially knowing something.

Also note that in method 9, he provides a rationale for the lesson.

> It is important to try to listen to them, and listening is an important part of growing.

This might seem innocuous, but "because I say so" really isn't a good explanation for either children or adults. Relating the lesson to something that most children want, to grow, is both truthful and respectful.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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RajT88 wrote: post #50
hinkley wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before the #MeToo movement there was a slow ramp of scandals about celebrities and for a while there every time someone posted about Fred I would recite a little litany in my head, Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood That went into overdrive after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up. And then by John Lassiter I was a momentary wreck every time Fred made the news. Fred Rogers has been gone long enough now th…

I enjoy casually horrifying people by mentioning that Fred Rogers had 2 children. Which means that he at least occasionally did the nasty.

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by HKH2 »

ravenstine wrote: post #65
ncr100 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rogers practiced effective communication for children, which I believe is worthwhile studying as an adult. Helps with clarity. Starts with: 1. State the idea you wish to express as clearly as possible, and in terms preschoolers can understand. Example: "It is dangerous to play in the street." 2. Rephrase in a positive manner, as in "It is good to play where it is safe." 3. Rephrase the idea, bearing in mind that pres…

In other words, he spoke to children as if they are inexperienced humans. When speaking to children, adults often start with the assumption that children are inferior in some way to adults and therefore they can't be spoken to in a rational way. On the contrary, Mr. Rogers spoke to children in a way that didn't condescend, and did so effectively, not shoving too many ideas into a single statement or making his audien…

> When speaking to children, adults often start with the assumption that children are inferior in some way to adults and therefore they can't be spoken to in a rational way.

People often underestimate the complexity of things they are used to. If you keep trying to use complexity/baggage without realising it, you might assume others aren't smart enough to understand, because it seems so obvious. It takes skill to see that something is not obvious and then break it down so that it can be understood.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by shadowgovt »

anonymousiam wrote: post #60
halostatue wrote: post #6

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Stop selectively using Dr King’s words to support a stance that his writings, especially his writings later than the "I have a dream" speech, do not support. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.... https://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/justice06.htm#Co... Mister Rogers absolutely embraced anti-racism on his show. That you do not understand that says much more about you than about anyone…

Please elaborate on what it is that I do not understand. Which version of anti-racisim did Mr. Rogers embrace? https://www.newsweek.com/real-problem-critical-race-theory-o...

When Fred Rogers shared a wading pool with François Clemmons, public pools had been legally desegregated for only five years. The underlying stigma that had justified the segregation (the notion that black people were dirty or dangerous) hadn't gone away with the passing of the law. Fred made the conscious decision to demonstrate to his viewers, on his show, that the messages some of them would be receiving from parents and authority figures were simply untrue. He did this not by telling them "Don't trust your parents, they will lie to you," but by simply modeling an alternative to a message they would receive.

It's honestly a masterful but of anti-racist messaging: instead of directly contradicting authority, provide an alternative view and challenge entrenched authority to explain it.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by lc9er »

shadowgovt wrote: post #62
RajT88 wrote: post #50

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I enjoy casually horrifying people by mentioning that Fred Rogers had 2 children. Which means that he at least occasionally did the nasty.

Joanne is still here, and did a lot of work making sure Fred's projects had the forward direction he'd have wanted after he passed away. She's an absolute delight and an accomplished pianist in addition to her other accolades.

She passed away last year, but I remember her doing some press the last few years, and was always delightful. She seemed a little mischievous in a way that seemed like it would have offset Fred's near-saintly disposition.
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