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Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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I watched Tom Hanks' portrayal on the plane a few months ago; being non-American and unfamiliar with the original programme, I was a good way in to the film before I started to suspect it was a 'docudrama' rather than the surrealist drama I'd thitherto thought!

It was an enjoyable film about an apparently almost 'too good to be true' gentleman even without the context of having grown up with The Neighbourhood.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Interesting read, gained even more respect for him from this article.

Before the #MeToo movement there was a slow ramp of scandals about celebrities and for a while there every time someone posted about Fred I would recite a little litany in my head, Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood That went into overdrive after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up. And then by John Lassiter I was a momentary wreck every time Fred made the news. Fred Rogers has been gone long enough now th…

A better example would be Jimmy Saville, Larry Nassar, and the leaders of the Catholic Church, people who intentionally worked with children to create an opportunity to rape them.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Interesting read, gained even more respect for him from this article.

Before the #MeToo movement there was a slow ramp of scandals about celebrities and for a while there every time someone posted about Fred I would recite a little litany in my head, Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood That went into overdrive after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up. And then by John Lassiter I was a momentary wreck every time Fred made the news. Fred Rogers has been gone long enough now th…

> after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up

2004?

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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I watched Tom Hanks' portrayal on the plane a few months ago; being non-American and unfamiliar with the original programme, I was a good way in to the film before I started to suspect it was a 'docudrama' rather than the surrealist drama I'd thitherto thought! It was an enjoyable film about an apparently almost 'too good to be true' gentleman even without the context of having grown up with The Neighbourhood .

Grew up watching Fred on local TV, probably saw every episode for a decade, and know people who have met him.

He was the real deal, with the courage to have unswayable adherence to pure humanitarian values. Look up the time he went to shame Congress into funding PBS.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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“Anti-racism is usually structured around conscious efforts and deliberate actions which are intended to provide equal opportunities for all people on both an individual and a systemic level.” Actually being color blind rather than having the appearance of being color blind is a tricky thing. Taken to an extreme, a collage which had a purely random acceptance criteria is non discriminatory, but it would feel like dis…

Yes that is the technical definition of discrimination, but when people say something is "discriminatory" they usually mean discriminatory in a way that it isn't supposed to be. To your example of a college, it is supposed to discriminate on academic performance, so nobody has a problem with discrimination on GPA (of course comparing GPAs is still an implementation problem).

And to say it's hard to be colorblind is not true. You just don't factor in race. You will probably fall back to the line that black students would have had a higher GPA if they weren't discriminated against in other areas of society, but then it's not the school doing the discriminating. And this is the core of the problem. Instead of selecting the best students, universities have decided to select who they think hypothetically would have been the best student in a perfect world, and doing a very poor job of it. And their arrogance in appointing themselves the corrector of all societal ills and their myopic focus on only gender and race differences in doing so has pissed a lot of people off.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did. a lot of kids saw that, and in turn became a lot harder to indoctrinate. bigots and racists unfortunately remembered that lesson very well. teaching lgbtq and the history of race in this country is all but forbidden in some States because it works.

What a weird way to put it, it makes it sound as if this difference of opinion is hate based, not just a wrong belief.

It isn't forbidden "because it works", it is forbidden "because teaching works", and a step back, "they believe it to be wrong information"

By stating your shortcut, eg "teaching works", I feel you are glossing over, while unintentionally, the fact that there is an actual difference of belief here.

Such people can believe black people are inferior, or lgbtq is wrong, without it deriving from hate. Their hate comes from people trying to "corrupt" their children's beliefs, and anyone with a child would feel precisely the same way, if they thought the thing taught, was very wrong.

By understanding the source of the hate, by keeping the source in mind, we are better able to counter it... to perhaps fix it.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did. a lot of kids saw that, and in turn became a lot harder to indoctrinate. bigots and racists unfortunately remembered that lesson very well. teaching lgbtq and the history of race in this country is all but forbidden in some States because it works.

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did. a lot of kids saw that, and in turn became a lot harder to indoctrinate. bigots and racists unfortunately remembered that lesson very well. teaching lgbtq and the history of race in this country is all but forbidden in some States because it works.

> I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did

I didn't know this story, so I searched for a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6O_Ep9bY0U

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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“Anti-racism is usually structured around conscious efforts and deliberate actions which are intended to provide equal opportunities for all people on both an individual and a systemic level.” Actually being color blind rather than having the appearance of being color blind is a tricky thing. Taken to an extreme, a collage which had a purely random acceptance criteria is non discriminatory, but it would feel like dis…

No one argues discrimination is bad, they argue discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color or gender is bad. It reads to me as very disingenuous to frame the conversation as if there was an argument to be made that college's discriminating on unrelated, unchangeable, inherited characteristics is fair or just.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Before the #MeToo movement there was a slow ramp of scandals about celebrities and for a while there every time someone posted about Fred I would recite a little litany in my head, Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood That went into overdrive after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up. And then by John Lassiter I was a momentary wreck every time Fred made the news. Fred Rogers has been gone long enough now th…

> after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up 2004?

I hate to be the one to have to tell you this but Fred Rogers passed away in 2003. It’s been almost two decades. No wonder we’re a mess.
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