Am I the only lunatic that drinks almost exclusively bottled water? I've done so since I was a child.
Reverse osmosis.
Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
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Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#132I'm concerned this is making numbers here because of fear mongers so I want to run the numbers a bit to > The top 10 countries ranked in the order of high to low average EE2 concentration in surface water, were Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia and Portugal, with the respective mean concentrations of 27.7, 22.1, 21.5, 21.1, 13.6, 9.6, 9.5, 8.8, 7.6 and 6.6 ng/L Going by Wi…
> I bring this up because of the right wing fear of the "feminization of men." > Where the right wing ideology on this is strongest (US perhaps?) I can’t imagine the confusion that would lead someone to conclude that “feminization of men” is a “right wing fear” that is perhaps “strongest” in the US? The US has among the loosest gender norms of any place in the world, including a number of European countries. In the o…
There is a common trend in the USA or right wing people (generally men) complaining about soy products and the supposed estrogen content that they think is causing widespread hormonal changes in men, despite soy phytoestrogens being the wrong kind of estrogen to do anything and being at extremely low levels.
EDIT: I’m just citing a factual cultural phenomenon in the USA. Look here is a source: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/soy-boy
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would say this is more about gender roles than gender norms, particularly women’s place in social status / power hierarchy. It is a fact our increasingly connected world favors some traits that have been traditionally thought of as feminine, such as high emotional intelligence, openness, and agreeableness; and people are adapting. All this anxiety about feminization of men - and masculinization of women - is just u…
I agree with you. What I’m perplexed by is this implication that the US isn’t one of the handful of countries leading the charge on breaking down gender roles and norms. (In large part because the economic changes you speak of haven’t reached other countries. Gender roles driven by the physical demands of subsistence agriculture are still the reality of life for most people.) As if folks in Asia and Africa are sittin…
I’m not sure that a comparison of US to places like Afghanistan or the African bush are the most apt. Maybe some place that is closer to being a peer in terms of technological advancement / adoption like Iran, Korea, Brazil, Russia, or Singapore would make more sense?
The big irony for the US is that the people who are fretting about the “feminization of men” are the same who deny global warming; while technological advancement, increasing connectedness - i.e. rapid movement of matter and information - and global warming are all one singular spacetime event.
But that is a digression. There are certainly many places with less progressive than the US, though I am not sure how strong the average backlash is across places that are closer to the US in terms of technological adoption.
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#134Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#135Am I the only lunatic that drinks almost exclusively bottled water? I've done so since I was a child.
Where do you think the water in those bottles comes from exactly?
What are you implying? San Pellegrino, Evian, etc - I'd expect less garbage in it than municipal water. Why would spring sources be contaminated in the same way?
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#136Am I the only lunatic that drinks almost exclusively bottled water? I've done so since I was a child.
If you're worried about water quality you're much better off drinking filtered tap water. Most bottled water is just municipal water with extra trash.
It's primarily for taste. I can't stand the taste of tap water, anywhere. While everyone seems used to it, the chlorine and chemical flavors, sometimes bordering on slightly sweet, are repulsive.
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would say this is more about gender roles than gender norms, particularly women’s place in social status / power hierarchy. It is a fact our increasingly connected world favors some traits that have been traditionally thought of as feminine, such as high emotional intelligence, openness, and agreeableness; and people are adapting. All this anxiety about feminization of men - and masculinization of women - is just u…
I agree with you. What I’m perplexed by is this implication that the US isn’t one of the handful of countries leading the charge on breaking down gender roles and norms. (In large part because the economic changes you speak of haven’t reached other countries. Gender roles driven by the physical demands of subsistence agriculture are still the reality of life for most people.) As if folks in Asia and Africa are sittin…
The US is currently experiencing a hangover from the social effects of the cold war. The intentional construction of a christo-national subjective identity as a counterbalance to the atheistic Russian communists continues to reverberate in the socio-political sphere. There are some obvious contradictions when this meets the business world like, "shouldn't businesses with feminine cultural practices outcompete masculinized corpos?", but I'd argue this is currently being played out in trenches of office politics in the micro and labor vs capital in the macro. If we embark on a process of self-selection into dichotomous gendered organizations I'd expect this to crystalize into more tangible, but it's too early to tell and business/orgs don't have coherent messaging even if they wanted to leverage this into an advantage so it ends up being sublimated into typical ineffectual neoliberal posturing.
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you. What I’m perplexed by is this implication that the US isn’t one of the handful of countries leading the charge on breaking down gender roles and norms. (In large part because the economic changes you speak of haven’t reached other countries. Gender roles driven by the physical demands of subsistence agriculture are still the reality of life for most people.) As if folks in Asia and Africa are sittin…
I’m not sure that a comparison of US to places like Afghanistan or the African bush are the most apt. Maybe some place that is closer to being a peer in terms of technological advancement / adoption like Iran, Korea, Brazil, Russia, or Singapore would make more sense? The big irony for the US is that the people who are fretting about the “feminization of men” are the same who deny global warming; while technological…
> I’m not sure that a comparison of US to places like Afghanistan or the African bush are the most apt. Maybe some place that is closer to being a peer in terms of technological advancement / adoption like Iran, Korea, Brazil, Russia, or Singapore would make more sense?
Those countries have far more conservative views on gender roles, among ordinary people, than the US. I don’t think there’s a single country in Asia or Africa where the median view on gender roles wouldn’t be to the right of your median American Republican.
> But that is a digression. There are certainly many places with less progressive than the US, though I am not sure how strong the average backlash is across places that are closer to the US in terms of technological adoption.
“Progressive” American views on gender would be outside the Overton window in most of the world. There is no “backlash” because there is no meaningful effort to mainstream progressive ideas on gender. There is nothing to react to.
I’m really not sure what you are trying to achieve by misrepresenting the social norms in those countries.
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#139I'm concerned this is making numbers here because of fear mongers so I want to run the numbers a bit to > The top 10 countries ranked in the order of high to low average EE2 concentration in surface water, were Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia and Portugal, with the respective mean concentrations of 27.7, 22.1, 21.5, 21.1, 13.6, 9.6, 9.5, 8.8, 7.6 and 6.6 ng/L Going by Wi…
> I bring this up because of the right wing fear of the "feminization of men." > Where the right wing ideology on this is strongest (US perhaps?) I can’t imagine the confusion that would lead someone to conclude that “feminization of men” is a “right wing fear” that is perhaps “strongest” in the US? The US has among the loosest gender norms of any place in the world, including a number of European countries. In the o…
Progress begets reaction. Reactionary is more often associated with right wing.
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're worried about water quality you're much better off drinking filtered tap water. Most bottled water is just municipal water with extra trash.
It's primarily for taste. I can't stand the taste of tap water, anywhere. While everyone seems used to it, the chlorine and chemical flavors, sometimes bordering on slightly sweet, are repulsive.
If tap water tastes sweet, there is probably lead in it.