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Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects

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Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects

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Post by nikisweeting »

bergenty wrote: post #18
marricks wrote: post #8

I'm concerned this is making numbers here because of fear mongers so I want to run the numbers a bit to > The top 10 countries ranked in the order of high to low average EE2 concentration in surface water, were Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia and Portugal, with the respective mean concentrations of 27.7, 22.1, 21.5, 21.1, 13.6, 9.6, 9.5, 8.8, 7.6 and 6.6 ng/L Going by Wi…

There nothing right wing about this concern. As a progressive man I don’t want to be feminized, it’s terrifying, both at the personal and species level.

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Post by littlecranky67 »

User23 wrote: post #15
marricks wrote: post #8

I'm concerned this is making numbers here because of fear mongers so I want to run the numbers a bit to > The top 10 countries ranked in the order of high to low average EE2 concentration in surface water, were Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia and Portugal, with the respective mean concentrations of 27.7, 22.1, 21.5, 21.1, 13.6, 9.6, 9.5, 8.8, 7.6 and 6.6 ng/L Going by Wi…

> I bring this up because of the right wing fear of the "feminization of men." The secular testosterone decline in the west is absolutely incontrovertibly real. The error is looking for a single cause to pin a civilizational scale endocrine disruption event to.

I agree there is no single isolated cause but multiple factors of declining testosterone levels. Body fat and obesity is also linked to reduced testosterone levels, and lifestyle in western countries (the US in particular) leads to more and more overweight and obese population. So if you are concerned about your testosterone levels, and immediate step you can take is to reduce your body fat.

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rayiner wrote: post #100
stevehawk wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they probably assume it because Republicans say it out loud.

Only because what you would call a “Republican take” on gender norms in the US is “common knowledge” nearly everywhere in Asia or Africa. You should hear my mom complain how my dad “doesn’t do man’s work, just laptop.” And she qualifies as a feminist in Bangladesh!

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Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects

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Post by bergenty »

panarky wrote: post #110
pure_simplicity wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping testosterone levels and decreasing sperm quality are not a "right wing fear", but a scientific fact, and that should concern everyone: right and left wing, men and women. Also, to look at this 1 compound in isolation and downplay the significance of it, without considering the cumulative and synergistic effects of all the other xeno estrogens we are exposed to on a daily basis is irresponsible.

> not a "right wing fear", but a scientific fact Of course it's both, with the kernel of scientific fact being hyped and exaggerated by the right. It's important to call this out so people can evaluate whether the discussion is in good faith or if it's part of an information operation.

The important thing to take away is that “right wing” talking point or not there is a genuine reason to be concerned here.

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Post by schemescape »

baldisbasics wrote: post #38

I swear, everyone in my part of the US had massive hair shedding around 2018 or so (man and woman, young and old). We speculated at the time that maybe something in the water supply was causing everyone to lose hair in clumps, and by golly this appears to match with our pet theories.

Does the paper reference 2018 somewhere? I see a few comments related to 2018, but I can't seem to access the paper, and I'm not seeing any timelines.

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Post by jackmott »

zackmorris wrote: post #84
baldisbasics wrote: post #38

I swear, everyone in my part of the US had massive hair shedding around 2018 or so (man and woman, young and old). We speculated at the time that maybe something in the water supply was causing everyone to lose hair in clumps, and by golly this appears to match with our pet theories.

That's interesting, which part of the US is it, and does anyone have hard evidence of that trend? Only one datapoint, but: the outer half of my eyebrows fell out in 2018 just before my digestive issues flared up and I burned out in the spring of 2019. I wondered if maybe radiation from Fukushima affected my thyroid, since radiation levels in southern Idaho were 80 times normal before they quit reporting them. I've si…

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Post by nikisweeting »

the_only_law wrote: post #87
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If lead pollution made people kinder, it feels to me like lead pollution would still be a bad thing. While I got the same impression as you from that comment, HN's guidelines[0] say: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Sounds like an easy way to encourage trolls (it is).

Strongest as in "most sound", not as in "most inflammatory".

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 »

marricks wrote: post #23

Apparently everyone is downvoting everything they can because this is a sensitive topic. I'd just like to call out, where feminization is a major concern (US, maybe Europe), there is less than 1ng/L of this compound in water, see elsewhere on this thread for the graphic. The lowest dose of EE2 for trans-women is 2mg a day orally. That means whatever the dosage is in the US it's less than 1/10th* of what trans folk fi…

>So in the end the number is less than 1/20th.

even for fully-grown adults it is an extremely alarming figure.

god only knows the full extent of damage done to children by this and other phytoestrogens.

Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

baldisbasics wrote: post #38

I swear, everyone in my part of the US had massive hair shedding around 2018 or so (man and woman, young and old). We speculated at the time that maybe something in the water supply was causing everyone to lose hair in clumps, and by golly this appears to match with our pet theories.

The study actually shows the exact opposite. It looks at levels by country, and the US levels were less than 1 ngE2/L, meaning "no risk".

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S03014797210086...

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