Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects

Post by marricks » Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 3:16 PM UTC

throwaway0x7E6 wrote: post #50

marricks wrote: post #27

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I agree! I explicitly state that I don't think random pollutants are good in that comment and there could be other reasons to care about it. I'm merely calling out that the thing most people freak out about with this compound (feminization) is not worth freaking out about .

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Post by gcr » Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 3:17 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #40

marricks wrote: post #23

Apparently everyone is downvoting everything they can because this is a sensitive topic. I'd just like to call out, where feminization is a major concern (US, maybe Europe), there is less than 1ng/L of this compound in water, see elsewhere on this thread for the graphic. The lowest dose of EE2 for trans-women is 2mg a day orally. That means whatever the dosage is in the US it's less than 1/10th* of what trans folk fi…

> I'd just like to call out, where feminization is a major concern (US, maybe Europe) What’s that supposed to mean? The article shows the rates in Southeast Asia are 10 times higher than the US. I can assure you that “feminization” would be a much more significant concern there than in the US or Europe.

Post by toothrot » Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 3:17 PM UTC

swayvil wrote: post #52

elil17 wrote: post #30

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Not really. EE2 is used in birth control but the spike in people being transgender (or being openly transgender, at least) does not line up with the adoption of EE2 BC (which started in the 1960s - if that was the case you’d expect to see a bunch of transgender people who grew up around then, so ages 50-70). Further, spikes in EE2 cannot explain the prevalence of female-to-male transgender people.

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Post by DoingIsLearning » Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 3:18 PM UTC

formerly_proven wrote: post #58

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #42

> Another potential contamination of EE2 is aquaculture. Based on a recent investigation, high concentrations of EE2 ranging from Why is aquaculture waste water contributing to EE2 contamination? What step in aquaculture would create this..

Female fish are generally bigger than male fish and caviar can only be harvested from females.

Post by newsclues » Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 3:19 PM UTC

georgia_peach wrote: post #11

marricks wrote: post #8

I'm concerned this is making numbers here because of fear mongers so I want to run the numbers a bit to > The top 10 countries ranked in the order of high to low average EE2 concentration in surface water, were Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia and Portugal, with the respective mean concentrations of 27.7, 22.1, 21.5, 21.1, 13.6, 9.6, 9.5, 8.8, 7.6 and 6.6 ng/L Going by Wi…

Ideology doesn't factor into this. There is something in the water that shouldn't be there, and someone put it there---largely without permission. And what constitutes a "low dose" frequently changes by several orders of magnitude depending on who does the study, and who paid for the study.