2 obvious questions (because I can't penetrate this stuff) Is this feminizing our population? Does this affect the way we think?
Yes it is
Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
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Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
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One day a few years ago, just as I reached my flat, a young child looked at me, turned to their mother and said “Mommy, mommy, is that a boy or a girl?”, because my combination pony tail and facial hair confused them.
A few grown men have had the same problem, beginning a wolf-whistle when they saw me from behind only to abort part way through as they saw the front of my face.
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#23Apparently everyone is downvoting everything they can because this is a sensitive topic. I'd just like to call out, where feminization is a major concern (US, maybe Europe), there is less than 1ng/L of this compound in water, see elsewhere on this thread for the graphic.
The lowest dose of EE2 for trans-women is 2mg a day orally. That means whatever the dosage is in the US it's less than 1/10th* of what trans folk find actually useful. That's based off drinking 4 liters of water a day, lord knows most people don't drink that though.
In summary: US and Europe folks don't need to care about this and if you see a news story hyping this compound up, it's probably just that: hype.
*EDIT: I had a couple mistakes here:
- EE2 is not estrogen and can be considered ~100x more effective
- 1ng / 1mg is 1000th not 100th.
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#25I'm concerned this is making numbers here because of fear mongers so I want to run the numbers a bit to > The top 10 countries ranked in the order of high to low average EE2 concentration in surface water, were Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia and Portugal, with the respective mean concentrations of 27.7, 22.1, 21.5, 21.1, 13.6, 9.6, 9.5, 8.8, 7.6 and 6.6 ng/L Going by Wi…
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#262 obvious questions (because I can't penetrate this stuff) Is this feminizing our population? Does this affect the way we think?
I have no idea why this was posted without full-text available, but there is at least this: https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S03014797210086... I guess if you live in South America or China, then maybe the population is being feminized. Otherwise, no, at least not by this.
> “Antractica”
The porbelm si?
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
#27I'm concerned this is making numbers here because of fear mongers so I want to run the numbers a bit to > The top 10 countries ranked in the order of high to low average EE2 concentration in surface water, were Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia and Portugal, with the respective mean concentrations of 27.7, 22.1, 21.5, 21.1, 13.6, 9.6, 9.5, 8.8, 7.6 and 6.6 ng/L Going by Wi…
Ideology doesn't factor into this. There is something in the water that shouldn't be there, and someone put it there---largely without permission. And what constitutes a "low dose" frequently changes by several orders of magnitude depending on who does the study, and who paid for the study.
I agree! I explicitly state that I don't think random pollutants are good in that comment and there could be other reasons to care about it.
I'm merely calling out that the thing most people freak out about with this compound (feminization) is not worth freaking out about.
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#28Apparently everyone is downvoting everything they can because this is a sensitive topic. I'd just like to call out, where feminization is a major concern (US, maybe Europe), there is less than 1ng/L of this compound in water, see elsewhere on this thread for the graphic. The lowest dose of EE2 for trans-women is 2mg a day orally. That means whatever the dosage is in the US it's less than 1/10th* of what trans folk fi…
Is there any accumulation in food? Is it heat stable to survive cooking?
Re: Review of 17α-ethynylestradiol in water across 32 countries: Estrogenic effects
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One day a few years ago, just as I reached my flat, a young child looked at me, turned to their mother and said “Mommy, mommy, is that a boy or a girl?”, because my combination pony tail and facial hair confused them. A few grown men have had the same problem, beginning a wolf-whistle when they saw me from behind only to abort part way through as they saw the front of my face.
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Not really. EE2 is used in birth control but the spike in people being transgender (or being openly transgender, at least) does not line up with the adoption of EE2 BC (which started in the 1960s - if that was the case you’d expect to see a bunch of transgender people who grew up around then, so ages 50-70). Further, spikes in EE2 cannot explain the prevalence of female-to-male transgender people.