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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by 2143 »

rmbyrro wrote: post #39
lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

> I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. I hope we can have a civil disagreement on this, without personal resentments. This is indeed freedom, and I don't approve of violent and repressive regimes to change people's behavior. Yet, this is not positive from my point of view. Doing this makes me closer to animals, far…

Disagree.

You need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

What's right from a human's point of view may not necessarily be right from nature's point of view.

> A tiger simply don't think whether the way it lives and kills prey is ethical.

Even thinking about whether a tigers' behavior is ethical is missing the point. Tigers do what they do. Accept it. It's not "wrong".

> Animals don't have intimacy. They just do their stuff wherever they are.

Depends on the animal. Elephants tend to live in close-knit families. You should go observe a bird (such as a crow) feeding its young one. Such a lovely sight.

> it's not the behavior I want for myself. I wouldn't promote it, because it goes against the direction I would be happy to see other humans moving

You've been conditioned to think that that's a better way to live. It may not be.

Here's what we "civilized" humans have collectively done:

1. Wrecked nature and have already caused much damage.

2. Kill animals for sport/entertainment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Tigers hunt for survival!)

3. Colonized and plundered places and were brutal to the natives of those places.

4. Wars.

5. Even if not a colonialist — some humans have killed other humans, and many others have hatched plans to make others' lives miserable. You see this across the world.

Wearing a tuxedo doesn't mean they're good for the world.

Think about it this way — the world would be a better place (combined, for the entire life on Earth) if there were no humans at all.

Naturists are the least of the world's problems.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#132

Post by oriettaxx »

leaflets2 wrote: post #114
oriettaxx wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no doubt for Italy.

Are people in Italy prude? Or did you mean the opposite, that there are eg more nudist beaches there (Did you reply to "more open to nudism" or to "The west is prude")

> Are people in Italy prude?

yes, no doubt: very few goes to church, but catholic background is really strong.

I think the Italian youths are most conservative then their parents

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#133

Post by watwut »

mrtksn wrote: post #128
watwut wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you think that kids shouldn't see nudity on TV, don't let them. The state is not responsible for rising you or your kids. The switch to porn at midnight happened because state was actually restricting content. Kids entertainment was also controlled a lot. > An argument against this lifestyle is that it makes people unambitious But it does. Communism made people more passive in non private areas of life. Post com…

This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents. The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. The society is not alarmist and absolutist, though the general consensus is that kids shouldn't be exposed to porn. It's a subtle di…

> The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it.

Who do you think restricted channels from showing sex/erotics/porn before midnight? It was the state. The overall attitudes are different and that reflects in the restrictions state puts on. But the idea that this is about responsibility being expected more from parents is not correct.

The state is absolutely trying to control all of this. The overall society however does not see sexuality as traumatizing or as disgusting as Americans or UK do.

> This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents.

It is not just about that. In communism, the state or party had its own ideas about what kids should or should not seen - and restricted based on that. It is about society itself and impact on society itseft, not so much about what parents think.

Some of that attitude is residual. State controls and regulates things, but based on own ideas/perceived interests.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#134

Post by mimac »

hawski wrote: post #71
mimac wrote: post #26

Ha! I'm a Slovene with fond memories going to FKK camps in Croatia. Koversada is like a small city where everyone is naked all the time except visiting the shop or restaurant. I feel that FKK culture has a lot to offer to children especially as they see all the varieties of naked bodies which probably helps with self-image in later years. While I don't go to FKKs anymore due to my wife, we still hunt beaches where we…

That's also my view, although I never had an opportunity to use such a beach. When my outlook on nudity changed I was already married. My wife wouldn't go to a beach like that for example. However I did enjoy far simpler and less fussy changing on Berlin beaches. Do you mean that you are not going to FKK beaches because your wife doesn't want to? At the same time do you mean you go to baches where you can be naked pr…

Yes, my wife is very self conscious so nudity is only ok in private settings.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#135

Post by mrtksn »

watwut wrote: post #133
mrtksn wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents. The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. The society is not alarmist and absolutist, though the general consensus is that kids shouldn't be exposed to porn. It's a subtle di…

> The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. Who do you think restricted channels from showing sex/erotics/porn before midnight? It was the state. The overall attitudes are different and that reflects in the restrictions state puts on. But the idea that this is about responsibility being expected more from parents…

Nope, that's not how things in Bulgaria or even the Balkans in general work. The state definitely has ideas how things are supposed to work but on the ground often it does not work as expected.

This is a problem for things like making roads safe or corruption, but on the other hand it also means the state does not have the power to control the daily lives of the citizens, which yields the sense of freedom that we are talking about.

The problem(or feature, if you like) in the west is that the governments do function well and some attempt to design every aspect of life. In Bulgaria the government doesn't have that power and the people actively tend to push back.

This is both nice and problematic. It's problematic, for example, when you need to vaccinate people. During the pandemic, Bulgaria had access to the same vaccines as the west but ended up to be the has some of the lowest vaccination rates and the highest death rate per capita.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#136

Post by watwut »

mrtksn wrote: post #135
watwut wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. Who do you think restricted channels from showing sex/erotics/porn before midnight? It was the state. The overall attitudes are different and that reflects in the restrictions state puts on. But the idea that this is about responsibility being expected more from parents…

Nope, that's not how things in Bulgaria or even the Balkans in general work. The state definitely has ideas how things are supposed to work but on the ground often it does not work as expected. This is a problem for things like making roads safe or corruption, but on the other hand it also means the state does not have the power to control the daily lives of the citizens, which yields the sense of freedom that we are…

We are talking about TV channels switching to erotics exactly at midnight. That is state regulation. They are not allowed to show it before, are allowed to show it later and thus all switch in sync.

Balkans have a lot of corruption. But this one seems to he followed.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#137

Post by leaflets2 »

oriettaxx wrote: post #132
leaflets2 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are people in Italy prude? Or did you mean the opposite, that there are eg more nudist beaches there (Did you reply to "more open to nudism" or to "The west is prude")

> Are people in Italy prude? yes, no doubt: very few goes to church, but catholic background is really strong. I think the Italian youths are most conservative then their parents

Southern or northern Italy :-) ?

(Or both?)

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#138

Post by oriettaxx »

leaflets2 wrote: post #137
oriettaxx wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are people in Italy prude? yes, no doubt: very few goes to church, but catholic background is really strong. I think the Italian youths are most conservative then their parents

Southern or northern Italy :-) ? (Or both?)

both: south much much more, of course

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#139

Post by rospaya »

lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

Or you're idolising your own childhood, like everyone else does?

And also I don't see what does not wearing a helmet have to do with hating Serbs, but I don't get the rest of it either.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

#140

Post by mrtksn »

watwut wrote: post #136
mrtksn wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, that's not how things in Bulgaria or even the Balkans in general work. The state definitely has ideas how things are supposed to work but on the ground often it does not work as expected. This is a problem for things like making roads safe or corruption, but on the other hand it also means the state does not have the power to control the daily lives of the citizens, which yields the sense of freedom that we are…

We are talking about TV channels switching to erotics exactly at midnight. That is state regulation. They are not allowed to show it before, are allowed to show it later and thus all switch in sync. Balkans have a lot of corruption. But this one seems to he followed.

But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people not making it a big deal.

Besides, I'm not sure at all of it was state regulations. Up until not too long ago there were no private TV channels or cable operators. The cable company I'm talking about was run by a few guys who got the idea of wiring cables in the city. Later they did internet services as well and included a server where you can simply connect via FTP and download DivX films for free. I don't recall even having a formal contract, you call them and they come and connect and if you don't pay the monthly fee, they come and cut the wire. I think they shut it down 2010 or something like that. Anyway that's not the point.

I don't think you understand the kind of freedom I'm talking about, it's not really about the laws but about the lack of moral panic and lack of discussions over how we should live our lives.

As a result, the sense of freedom comes from the society not caring you watch porn and the restrictions come from the parents of the kids. It's considered a trashy behaviour to let kids be exposed to that kind of stuff but no one demands the government do something about it. In the west, the discussion always revolves around government allowing or denying stuff.

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