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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by Caballera »

megamark16 wrote: post #128
jodrellblank wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I click the Maximize button on OSX, it doesn't actually maximize the window 99% of the time, it just picks a seemingly random size. I saw an app a while ago that would let you control how your OSX apps are resized when you maximize them, but if I have to buy an app just to make my OS do what it should do anyway, there's something wrong. If you're going to judge it based on your existing preconceptions, of course…

If you're going to judge it based on your existing preconceptions, of course it's going to come up short. Guilty as charged. I used a Mac for about 9 months, and I never got used to it, I never stopped being frustrated by the things that were difficult, annoying, or just plain Fisher Price dumbed down by default. I'm a developer, I could (and for a lot things I did) figure stuff out, tinker with stuff, but I just was…

I went from being a total Windows junkie to loving OSX since I switched over in May. No regrets. My windows desktop is left sitting, while I use my MacBook Pro all the time. I don't know exactly what you consider dumbed down, while some parts are now hidden, they can easily be found with minimum effort.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by falling »

Tycho wrote: post #60
ugh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“We all know how annoying the switch to Mission Control was, right?” No, we certainly don’t. I love Mission control and I think it’s an improvement over Exposé. Don’t pretend I’m agreeing with you. For me personally Lion has been a solid improvement. Quite a few things that used to suck about OS X still suck but I have seen nothing but improvements or neutral changes with Lion. (Yeah, I have some minor quibbles, but…

The thing about mission control is that they could easily have left the old expose intact as an optional alternative, but nooooo they had to remove it completely and fuck up thousands of users' workflow habits. I mean you have to admit the way mission control stacks windows on top of each other for each application is pretty ridiculous. Other than that it's fairly useful. But there was no good reason to remove the 'a…

> But there was no good reason to remove the 'all app expose' feature, leaving only the within app expose. They either just overlooked it or want to brainwash users into some sort of app centric paradigm.

Do you mean the "Show all Windows for the current app"? I'm pretty sure it's still there. Might have a different gesture tho.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by kylewpppd »

robin_reala wrote: post #102
_delirium wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> On a new linux machine I can apt-get most anything, but if I do need to compile something I just apt-get build-essentials and I'm ready to go, on OSX you have to download a DVD just to be able to compile stuff from source. > Darwin ports? Fink? I've used both for the past near-decade (fink for 4 years, now macports for the past 3), along with a Debian desktop, and they're much worse imo. They do the job sort of, b…

Dump both macports and fink and use Homebrew instead: http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/

I fail to see how anyone can recommend homebrew as a viable solution to package management on OS X. You have to compile everything.

Coming from apt-get or yum makes brew, port, and fink look like a joke.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by saint-loup »

I'm quite happy with Mac OS X, but there's one thing that really annoys me: keyboard shortcuts. There's (almost) always one for what I want to do, but it's often to complicated for the frequency of the task.

For instance, checking emails in mail.app is shift+command+N. Or changing the presentation mode in iTunes or Preview is alt+command+[3-6]. Because of my Azerty keyboard, it's actually shift+alt+command+[3-6].

Isn't one modifier key enough?

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by Lewisham »

sukuriant wrote: post #159
Lewisham wrote: post #156

Having had a "I really am starting to dislike Mac OS X, but Windows 8 looks pretty good!" revelation, I started to use Windows 7. I came back after about a week and told Mac OS X I'd never leave it again. I reinstalled Windows 7 about 2 or 3 times, lots of weird, inexplicable errors, one of which required a Microsoft FixIt program to run as there were some "corrupt registry keys". Gosh, it was not good. That said, I…

What on earth did you do to make Windows start having "weird, inexplicable errors"? And, why do I never have these problems?

I was trying to install Star Wars: The Old Republic, and the Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable flat-out refused to install die to "Error 1365" (if I remember my error codes right). Required a Microsoft FixIt to fix the registry keys.

And I have no idea how it happened.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by mthreat »

CamperBob wrote: post #144
js2 wrote: post #75

Re: "maximize" button that is being complained about in this thread. It's not a maximize button, it's a zoom button, and while I don't like its behavior, it's always been this way in OS X. From the current HIG: Your application determines the initial size and position of a window, which is called the standard state. If the user changes a window’s size or location by at least 7 points, the new size and location is the…

It's interesting to juxtapose your excerpt from the HIG with megamark16's comment below ( "When I click the Maximize button on OSX, it doesn't actually maximize the window 99% of the time, it just picks a seemingly random size." ) What this should tell us is that a UI strategy can be "optimal" -- in the sense that the HIG passage you quoted likely emerged from a lot of intense debate between some very bright, motivat…

Yes - I think you're talking about the Principle of least astonishment, which states that:

"when two elements of an interface conflict, or are ambiguous, the behaviour should be that which will least surprise the user"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by wes-exp »

MostAwesomeDude wrote: post #108
whiskers wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"breathtakingly expensive hardware and software" Where can you get something considerably cheaper than the Macbook Airs that sport: - 128GB SSD (13") - 1440x900 (13") display - 4GB of RAM - Core i5 - operating system included - thin, light, and have quality construction For £1099 including taxes?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230... is such a thing, and at $1099 USD, it's nearly half of your quoted price. Unfortunately, it has a widescreen which has more pixels than you asked for, but somehow I don't think that's a bad thing. It comes with Windows, but if you want a real operating system , you can install any Linux you like on there. Or a BSD. Go for it. Also, I was going to just an…

The price you're quoting is for the US. I suspect his price has UK VAT or something added in because a similarly spec'd MacBook Air is only $1299 in the US. So it is not "double", we're talking about $200 - an 18% price difference.

Furthermore, the Air starts at $999. It's hardly gratuitously expensive. In fact, it is extremely hard to beat in terms of value-per-dollar.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by xbryanx »

vertr wrote: post #123
js2 wrote: post #75

Re: "maximize" button that is being complained about in this thread. It's not a maximize button, it's a zoom button, and while I don't like its behavior, it's always been this way in OS X. From the current HIG: Your application determines the initial size and position of a window, which is called the standard state. If the user changes a window’s size or location by at least 7 points, the new size and location is the…

Hold shift while clicking the zoom button to maximize the window. Edit: in Chrome only.

Option/Alt + 'Plus button' does that in iTunes.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by X-Istence »

ramanujan wrote: post #28
hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

Worst parts of Lion over OS X: 1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file. 2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons. 3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize. 4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling. 5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros. 6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if…

6 - It has to un-encrypt all of your data and re-encrypt it.

This is always going to be slow, especially if it is on a single spinning disk.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by dasil003 »

kylewpppd wrote: post #173
robin_reala wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dump both macports and fink and use Homebrew instead: http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/

I fail to see how anyone can recommend homebrew as a viable solution to package management on OS X. You have to compile everything. Coming from apt-get or yum makes brew, port, and fink look like a joke.

If you're installing that many large UNIX packages I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that there are probably a lot of reasons you'd be better off on Linux.
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