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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by laurentoget »

RalfWausE wrote: post #113
ryanmercer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen "Crazy European commercial" type videos and they were things like two people having fairly aggressive sex and in the very background a crumpled pair of jeans or socks or something was the product being advertised. IIRC it was French or Belgian commercial. Then there were several other commercials in that presentation from various European countries that were on either side of that level of "sell it with sex…

You americans are weird...

the mix of whatever is left of victorian prudishness with decades of agressively commercialized porn sure makes for a complex and unhealthy relationship to the human body

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Post by laurentoget »

I went to FKK camps in croatia in the 80s when it was still yugoslavia - in my memory they were mostly for German/Dutch/Swiss tourists, were way more expensive than the state campsites, had much nicer amenities (toilets and showers maintained to german standard of cleanliness) and were much less crowded.

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Post by smugma »

throwaytheignor wrote: post #106
smugma wrote: post #88

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I work in California but we have a good sized team (~100) in the former Yugoslavia. The lead person in CA is Bosnian, most of the people we work with are in Serbia, but one team is in North Macedonia. The way the head Bosnian guy explains it to me is that it’s all about money. People want to be able to eat, buy a car, take a vacation. If they paid well, everyone gets along, there’s no politics involved. This was real…

What is he going to say to you? That the Serb committed mass genocide etc. The guy is here and has to make a living and not create enemies above his pay grade. Saying as someone who has met many Bosnians with severe PTSD who were there at that time.

Ya, he could say that. Or he could just not talk about it. He could also not go on trips and recruit Serbians to work for him. Before I got to know him, I assumed that he was the same ethnicity/religion as the huge teams he was overseeing, but that wasn't the case.

We have talked about how hard it was for him as a refugee to come to the US when he was a child, and now he's explaining to his 9 year old the Ukrainian refugees remind him of his own experience growing up. It seems like he genuinely doesn't care for identity politics and is looking for good people to work with. Most likely he's in the minority and maybe left at a young enough age where he didn't see and experience some of the things that the Bosnians with PTSD did.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by watwut »

credit_guy wrote: post #60
speed_spread wrote: post #53

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I believe what OP meant is that there was no media censorship other than political.

And I think the responder is arguing that some media censorship is consistent with the concept of freedom. My freedom to swing my fist ends where your nose begins, the saying goes. I don't like to turn on the TV and get porn content, and especially I don't like my children to be exposed to that content. I'm not opposed to porn content to exist, as long as it is somehow ringfenced from the access of minors. A majority…

I did not found that convincing argument. It amounted to "I find porn disgusting and animalistic, therefore it is good if it is censored". But, none of that suggests freedom in any way.

Also, there is difference between broadcasting something that leads to huge loss of freedom and life ... vs broadcasting something disgusting.

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Post by watwut »

mrtksn wrote: post #64
lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

I know what you mean, when I go to Bulgaria I still get this strange sense of freedom. I remember when I was a kid, completely normal TV channels turning to a porn channel exactly at 00:00. I think it is not happening anymore, the last time I witnessed this was maybe 5 years ago. The life feels natural, undesigned and unengineered. You don't feel like you have a mission, you can do whatever you want to do or not do a…

> If you think that kids shouldn't see nudity on TV, don't let them. The state is not responsible for rising you or your kids.

The switch to porn at midnight happened because state was actually restricting content. Kids entertainment was also controlled a lot.

> An argument against this lifestyle is that it makes people unambitious

But it does. Communism made people more passive in non private areas of life. Post communist setup less so, but still too due to corruption and criminality that endangered active people.

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Post by [deleted] »

laurentoget wrote: post #120
LAC-Tech wrote: post #31

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The anglosphere most certainly is. Prudishness gives us mental super powers so we can do things like the Industrial Revolution. You think we could have made those steam engines if we were looking at nipples all day?!

FKK was and still is very much a german movement which seems to indicate you can have nude beaches and competent engineers in the same culture.

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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by leaflets2 »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #119
leaflets2 wrote: post #111

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Can't one bring a towel and cover ones thighs, if need arise? And thereafter, no longer any need to worry about reacting to beautiful women, because if I've does, no one would notice anyway? Or maybe it can look suspicious if suddenly one reaches for one's towel? I've never been in a nude sauna though, not common around here. Seems as if could be good, anyway, with a "safety plan" to avoid getting embarrassed

> Can't one bring a towel and cover ones thighs, if need arise? And thereafter, no longer any need to worry about reacting to beautiful women, because if I've does, no one would notice anyway? all a boy needs to bring for such a situation is fond memories of your grandma :D

Or looking down into the bench, closing ones eyes, and thinking about a pile of dead kittens!

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by mrtksn »

watwut wrote: post #125
mrtksn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know what you mean, when I go to Bulgaria I still get this strange sense of freedom. I remember when I was a kid, completely normal TV channels turning to a porn channel exactly at 00:00. I think it is not happening anymore, the last time I witnessed this was maybe 5 years ago. The life feels natural, undesigned and unengineered. You don't feel like you have a mission, you can do whatever you want to do or not do a…

> If you think that kids shouldn't see nudity on TV, don't let them. The state is not responsible for rising you or your kids. The switch to porn at midnight happened because state was actually restricting content. Kids entertainment was also controlled a lot. > An argument against this lifestyle is that it makes people unambitious But it does. Communism made people more passive in non private areas of life. Post com…

This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents. The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. The society is not alarmist and absolutist, though the general consensus is that kids shouldn't be exposed to porn.

It's a subtle difference, hard to explain of you don't have the experience. It's not something in the laws, it's the attitude.

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Post by [deleted] »

rmbyrro wrote: post #39
lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

> I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. I hope we can have a civil disagreement on this, without personal resentments. This is indeed freedom, and I don't approve of violent and repressive regimes to change people's behavior. Yet, this is not positive from my point of view. Doing this makes me closer to animals, far…

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Post by [deleted] »

rmbyrro wrote: post #39
lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

> I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. I hope we can have a civil disagreement on this, without personal resentments. This is indeed freedom, and I don't approve of violent and repressive regimes to change people's behavior. Yet, this is not positive from my point of view. Doing this makes me closer to animals, far…

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