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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by andrewpi »

artursapek wrote: post #42
ramanujan wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worst parts of Lion over OS X: 1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file. 2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons. 3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize. 4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling. 5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros. 6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if…

Wait- they removed "Save as"? I am so glad I chose to ignore Lion.

Only in Apple-produced apps like TextEdit. Microsoft Word, etc. still have it.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by lelf »

megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

In the default Terminal app, there are no shortcuts (at least none that I could figure out) for moving around the text I'm typing quickly, like going forward and back a whole word, or going Home or End, you have to hold down the left or right arrows for a while.

What Terminal.app has to do with cursor movement??? Anyway, redline's defaults (and Emacs') is option+f / option+b (option is meta) for words and control+a / control+e for lines.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by Tycho »

megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Holding alt and arrow keys will move the cursor to the next word (something I miss in every other OS). Holding command and the arrow keys is like the home and end keys. Also if you're on the last line anyway just press down arrow to move cursor to after the last character (also something I miss in other environments). Combine these with shift key to do selections.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

I'm using OS X right now but I really hate all OSs at this point.

OS X is a usability nightmare for me, slowing me down even after many years of using it and trying to adapt to its ways. Lion is buggy on top of that (never ending wifi troubles).

Linux has huge driver issues and the package managers make me think like a data center sysadmin rather than the sole user of a dev workstation that I am.

And Windows is horrible as a development platform unless you stay slavishly within Microsoft's overpriced ecosystem.

But ranting about this is probably pointless. There will not be a new OS any time soon. It's just too difficult even for the largest corporations to start from scratch.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by pedrolll »

ramanujan wrote: post #28
hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

Worst parts of Lion over OS X: 1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file. 2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons. 3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize. 4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling. 5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros. 6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if…

Lion is the first OSX version I've used, and it's really hard for me to understand these complaints.

1) Removed? It's still in there for office and photoshop

2) Never really need to minimize, use mission control

3) Have no use for that green button, use full screen apps

4) Coming from Windows, learned reverse scrolling in 15 minutes, now the other way feels strange

5) Can't really address this, this macbook air is by far the fastest computer I've used

6,7) Haven't noticed these

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by [deleted] »

megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by HSO »

megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't:

> In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot.

They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it.

> When I click the Maximize button on OSX, it doesn't actually maximize the window 99% of the time, it just picks a seemingly random size.

There's now a full-screen mode that takes care of that.

> Nautilus can access Windows network shares, SSH/SFTP/FTP access, and can mount NTFS, HFS, and pretty much any other filesystem type there is.

One of these might be for you: http://mac.appstorm.net/roundups/utilities-roundups/5-altern...

> On a new linux machine I can apt-get most anything, but if I do need to compile something I just apt-get build-essentials and I'm ready to go, on OSX you have to download a DVD just to be able to compile stuff from source.

Darwin ports? Fink?

> I just want to see hidden files in Finder, why is that so hard?

  defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE ?
Or just use the terminal ?

> And that reminds me, why can't I type a path in Finder?

CMD-Shift-G

> I like Home and End keys. Where are they?

Erh, fn-ArrowLeft/ArrowRight ?!

> In the default Terminal app, there are no shortcuts (at least none that I could figure out) for moving around the text I'm typing quickly, like going forward and back a whole word, or going Home or End, you have to hold down the left or right arrows for a while.

The keyboard tab in Terminal's preferences? Or switch from Emacs-like to Vim-like navigation in the terminal?

> Maybe for some people this locked down, dumbed down environment works for them.

As I said, to each his own and there are valid concerns/tradeoffs about OS X. But in this particular case, the only thing "dumbed down" here is your rant.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by billpatrianakos »

tptacek wrote: post #13

I prefer Lion to Snow Leopard. I find myself appreciating the more controversial changes, like reversed scrolling and hidden scrollers. I followed Gruber's advice and suppressed the impulse to switch the defaults back to Snowpard behaviors and find that I'm less happy when I have to use Snowpard now. Meanwhile: * Mail.app under Lion is the best mail UX they've ever shipped. It's not a small improvement over Snowpard;…

People hate change. That's what it all boils down to. I've used a Mac since 10.4 and Lion was the first upgrade that annoyed me slightly. I only have one complaint though: Mission Control. I liked my old spaces. I want to arrange my spaces in a grid again.

Otherwise I'd say that if you're open to it and give the changes a chance they'll grow on you. The scrolling feels natural to me now and I have a Mighty, not Magic, Mouse. Traditional scrolling now feels strange. For reference, I do frequently use a second computer running Crunchbang Linux so it's not like I'm used to it because it's all I use.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by Tycho »

ugh wrote: post #25
hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

“We all know how annoying the switch to Mission Control was, right?” No, we certainly don’t. I love Mission control and I think it’s an improvement over Exposé. Don’t pretend I’m agreeing with you. For me personally Lion has been a solid improvement. Quite a few things that used to suck about OS X still suck but I have seen nothing but improvements or neutral changes with Lion. (Yeah, I have some minor quibbles, but…

The thing about mission control is that they could easily have left the old expose intact as an optional alternative, but nooooo they had to remove it completely and fuck up thousands of users' workflow habits. I mean you have to admit the way mission control stacks windows on top of each other for each application is pretty ridiculous. Other than that it's fairly useful.

But there was no good reason to remove the 'all app expose' feature, leaving only the within app expose. They either just overlooked it or want to brainwash users into some sort of app centric paradigm.

It reminds of when they released the magic mouse and you could no longer have expose mapped to a third mouse button. Surely wasn't the only user dependent on such a useful feature.

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