Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X. • Hacker News Board

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by frou_dh » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:43 PM UTC

megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Lion; It doesn't claim to be a maximise button; View->Go to Folder (Cmd-Sh-g); Cmd+Arrows; The emacs key bindings everyone has used since the dawn of time

You can't be bothered to learn an environment and are angry about it. Cool.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by artursapek » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:44 PM UTC

ramanujan wrote: post #28

hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

Worst parts of Lion over OS X: 1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file. 2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons. 3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize. 4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling. 5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros. 6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if…

Wait- they removed "Save as"? I am so glad I chose to ignore Lion.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by grandalf » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:44 PM UTC

I think the issue with Lion and also with Ubuntu 11.1 is that the GUIs are experimenting with various tablet concepts which significantly alter some of the behavior. It's pretty confusing at first but I adapted to Lion after about 4 or 5 days. I still don't quite understand Unity but expect to soon.

I think most anyone who is willing to accept that the world is undergoing a transition into a world where tablets coexist with laptops, etc., will embrace this time as a period of experimentation, rapid change, and creativity.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by pedrolll » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:44 PM UTC

megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

>In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot.

In Lion it's possible to resize from any window border.

I don't know what these other complaints are. Personally, coming from Windows & Ubuntu, I just fell in love with the way everything just works in OSX. I guess I'm not a "power user" though.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by dhughes » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:47 PM UTC

watmough wrote: post #35

dhughes wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like a teenager before a date Mac seems to be entirely about looks, oh everything works well both OS and hardware but sometimes it seems looks come before function. No separate delete or backspace keys, no multiple desktops, breathtakingly expensive hardware and software, awkward layout of files in the GUI, closing apps frustrating X doesn't close the app it minimizes it but you also have a minimize button (??), am I…

You can't blame Lion for not having a delete key! It's a hardware choice. Add a wired USB keyboard (I use the long Apple one) and there's a perfectly functional delete key, right there! What you can blame Lion for, is the fact that Xcode4 can't even scroll a sodding code window at repeat rate. Quad-core and discrete graphics, utterly ridiculous.

Yes true it's a hardware issue not OS and yes that's one option to use an external keyboard but I don't want to drag an external keyboard around with me otherwise I wouldn't have bought a laptop.

The lack of a delete key actually labeled "delete" (not backspace labeled "delete") just seems to be a glaring error along with no separate number keypad. More thought went into making it look pretty than to make it useful.

I'd sell this Macbook but I'm getting to like the swipe trackpad.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by whiskers » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:49 PM UTC

dhughes wrote: post #29

rbanffy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you pick your PC carefully with the purpose of breaking Linux, it mostly works out of the box. That said, installing Linux on a Mac seems offensive, like replacing the dashboard of a Maybach with the one of a race car. Macs are a beautifully designed combination of hardware and software that may work for you. Or not. I like Lion better than Snow Leopard, but neither works for me for work. Casual browsing and p…

Like a teenager before a date Mac seems to be entirely about looks, oh everything works well both OS and hardware but sometimes it seems looks come before function. No separate delete or backspace keys, no multiple desktops, breathtakingly expensive hardware and software, awkward layout of files in the GUI, closing apps frustrating X doesn't close the app it minimizes it but you also have a minimize button (??), am I…

"breathtakingly expensive hardware and software"

Where can you get something considerably cheaper than the Macbook Airs that sport:

- 128GB SSD (13")

- 1440x900 (13") display

- 4GB of RAM

- Core i5

- operating system included

- thin, light, and have quality construction

For £1099 including taxes?

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by jbrennan » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:50 PM UTC

ramanujan wrote: post #28

hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

Worst parts of Lion over OS X: 1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file. 2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons. 3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize. 4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling. 5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros. 6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if…

    3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize.

This isn't and has never been a "maximize" button. It's supposed to zoom the window to fit the content as best it can without scrolling. It's up to the developer to implement it properly with their own logic.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by johnthedebs » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:50 PM UTC

ramanujan wrote: post #28

hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

Worst parts of Lion over OS X: 1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file. 2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons. 3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize. 4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling. 5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros. 6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if…

If you're going to criticize it, at least do so in a constructive way. In your list of 7, I see 2 real complaints.

1) Agreed, this can be annoying.

2) The buttons are visually smaller, but have the same target click area.

3) It behaves the same way it did before, so this isn't any worse.

4) The new scrolling takes a day or two to get used to, and then is better. If you really don't like it, there's an option to toggle it off. This isn't an issue.

5) Agreed, it is arguably slower and tends to drain the battery faster. It's also doing more. It sucks, but that's the price of progress.

6) As I see it, FireVault is a huge plus and not at all a drawback. Was there anything 'terrible' about the process other than that it was lengthy? And really, a one-time conversion cost for such a huge improvement to this feature was a problem for you?

7) This happens with practically every desktop OS upgrade ever and, as you mentioned, isn't a problem anymore.

So besides #1 and #5, are there other real complaints?

I'd personally add "really botched multi-touch gestures" to the list, but I'm genuinely curious if it's actually that much worse or people are just piling onto this rant.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by vegai » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:51 PM UTC

ConstantineXVI wrote: post #37

vegai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you insist on paying for a free thing?

Your time and stress are not unlimited resources (and therefore not "free"). Being able to buy a Linux system that's guaranteed to work (and continue to) out of the box on certain hardware (or better yet, come pre-installed on that certain hardware) would be worth a fair amount of money to many people.

But... nobody can guarantee that. Have you never used paid software?

I mean sure, I can take your money. I can promise you things. So what?

And why the hell was I downmodded for asking a legit question? Is this place falling into reddit land?

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by annon » Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 4:51 PM UTC

megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

So you hate learning the "myriad of keyboard shortcuts needed to get stuff done on a Mac," but are praising the intuitiveness of "hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it?"