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Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by sk0g »

sithadmin wrote: post #351
sk0g wrote: post #312

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There's not a single screenshot of the operating system I could see, and I need to unlock the phone and all so assuming this is a custom ROM. Usually you lose access to things like GPay or certain NFC functionalities, and end up with a not-entirely stable experience anyway. I'd rather a phone that just worked. The half a dozen I had previously at least didn't struggle with the basics!

CalyxOS is a much more useable alternative. It's breathed new life into my Pixel 6 Pro.

But why does a phone that's under a year old already struggling?!

Mine just gives up on connecting to things, WebView is absolutely broken, and the daily UX is just me rebooting it 5-10 times a day. Stupid.

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by BoorishBears »

esteth wrote: post #343
BoorishBears wrote: post #325

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Are you serious? iOS upgrades give you the entire OS experience and upgraded app support with a few flashy features missing. Compare that to Android where the best case is invisible security updates and guess which causes upgrade anxiety? I'm an Android developer for a living but I use iPhones because the Android ecosystem is currently optimized for generating e-waste. SoC manufacturers generally don't make enough mo…

He's serious. The new multitasking workflow which is the major feature of iPadOS 16 is not available on non-M1 iPads, for example

You mean Stage Manager???

That's a truly terrible example...

First off it's not "the major feature of iPadOS 16, it's one call out of many _many_ features: https://www.apple.com/ipados/ipados-16-preview/

Second, _massively increasing multitasking capabilities_ is being given to the models that have _a massively upgraded SoC_ there's nothing artificial about that limitation.

Older iPads cannot not hold 4 arbitrary apps in memory, try it yourself if you want. For anything but the most basic set of apps you'll find something evicted by the time you loop back...

Third, "the" major point of an OS upgrade if any is being on the latest development target. Ask Android devs still targeting versions of Android from 2015 about that...

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by craftkiller »

nathell wrote: post #274
diego_sandoval wrote: post #253

We've gotten to the point of peak absurdity where 5.9" is considered "ultra-compact". I'm in the market for a new phone right now, and it's baffling how ridiculously big most phones are right now. I only use mine for instant messaging and browsing Hacker News. 5" is more than enough for that.

Come rally: https://smallandroidphone.com/

I can't sign up for that because they include a bunch of criteria beyond "small" that I, frankly, do not want.

1. They want OLED which has nothing to do with the phone size. I strongly prefer avoiding OLED because I prefer longevity / not having burn-in.

2. Hole punch front camera: I'd like to avoid any sort of notch/punch/deviation from standard rectangularish screens.

3. 2 rear cameras: I don't care. At least this one isn't a bad choice like the others, I just don't care.

and that is in their "must have" section, so I cannot commit my support.

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by BoorishBears »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #365
BoorishBears wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? iOS upgrades give you the entire OS experience and upgraded app support with a few flashy features missing. Compare that to Android where the best case is invisible security updates and guess which causes upgrade anxiety? I'm an Android developer for a living but I use iPhones because the Android ecosystem is currently optimized for generating e-waste. SoC manufacturers generally don't make enough mo…

>iOS upgrades give you the entire OS experience and upgraded app support with a few flashy features missing. As you know, Google updates apps and cloud features on a continuous basis while Apple holds back most new features until they release a new OS version. If you look through the list of iPad OS 16 features for instance, you'll see that almost all of them are in fact new apps, app features and sharing/cloud featu…

Stage Manager will straight up not work on non-M1 iPads.

You cannot keep 4 major apps in memory without seeing an eviction.

Also your comparison doesn't make sense, you're comparing iOS built-in apps to Android 3rd party apps by Google... AOSP's built-in photos and emails apps have barely been updated in the last decade.

All in all if you think iPadOS is letting you down, Android upgrades are a circus that Google refuses to rein in.

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by ece »

major505 wrote: post #329
diego_sandoval wrote: post #253

We've gotten to the point of peak absurdity where 5.9" is considered "ultra-compact". I'm in the market for a new phone right now, and it's baffling how ridiculously big most phones are right now. I only use mine for instant messaging and browsing Hacker News. 5" is more than enough for that.

Yeah, I own a Galaxy S20. Damn thing always prints on my pants when is in the pocket. The bigger screen size is good, but I preffer portability. If I want a giant screen I would by a tablet.

The fit in my pants is honestly the biggest problem I've had too since getting a Pixel 6. The one-handed keyboard/screen mode works fine, the battery life is nice, and the bigger screen I mostly don't care either way about. It's big in my pants though, when I'm not using it, I think only folding phones will really solve this.

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by craftkiller »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #326
pooper wrote: post #315

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I think it is mostly so we can have bigger batteries. The iPhone SE has a tiny battery by today's standards.

Why does the battery size matter? Do we compare car fuel tank sizes? We typically care about how it affects our use of the product. How long can the iPhone SE last on a charge? How does it compare to other iPhones?

> Do we compare car fuel tank sizes

Yes. I can't tell you why they thought it was important, but in my childhood I've heard multiple adults talk about "My car goes miles before a fill-up". Never made sense to me, gas stations are everywhere and filling up is quick.

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by dragonwriter »

craftkiller wrote: post #416
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #326

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Why does the battery size matter? Do we compare car fuel tank sizes? We typically care about how it affects our use of the product. How long can the iPhone SE last on a charge? How does it compare to other iPhones?

> Do we compare car fuel tank sizes Yes. I can't tell you why they thought it was important, but in my childhood I've heard multiple adults talk about "My car goes miles before a fill-up". Never made sense to me, gas stations are everywhere and filling up is quick.

> Never made sense to me, gas stations are everywhere and filling up is quick.

Gas stations are not everywhere, and can be few and far between on certain routes, and more to the point filling up being quick may be the normal conditions, but if you are old enough (or have lived in the right–or maybe wrong would be more accurate–places even without being that old), you have experience of times when filling up has not been quick, or even, on any given day for any given car, necessarily permitted.

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by leeoniya »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #182
leeoniya wrote: post #161

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typically LineageOS uses the stock binary blobs for cameras, too many trade secrets for Qualcomm, Sony, Samsung etc. to release them as open source. you can bootloader/oem unlock zenphones, though that might wipe DRM keys.

Some phones require extra firmware to get good quality out of the camera that are protected with keys that get wiped when unlocking the bootloader, which is probably what was meant.

good point.

samsung apparently also used to have a kill switch on their S22s with the Exynos cpus in EU (the only models that are unlockable...Snapdragons are not). i have a hard time believing this tho if they permitted unlocking at all. most likely it was some signed firmware snafu as you say.

https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s22-bootloader...

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

BoorishBears wrote: post #414
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>iOS upgrades give you the entire OS experience and upgraded app support with a few flashy features missing. As you know, Google updates apps and cloud features on a continuous basis while Apple holds back most new features until they release a new OS version. If you look through the list of iPad OS 16 features for instance, you'll see that almost all of them are in fact new apps, app features and sharing/cloud featu…

Stage Manager will straight up not work on non-M1 iPads. You cannot keep 4 major apps in memory without seeing an eviction. Also your comparison doesn't make sense, you're comparing iOS built-in apps to Android 3rd party apps by Google... AOSP's built-in photos and emails apps have barely been updated in the last decade. All in all if you think iPadOS is letting you down, Android upgrades are a circus that Google ref…

>you're comparing iOS built-in apps to Android 3rd party apps by Google

I'm not comparing them, I'm putting them aside for this comparison, because Apple links a lot of regular apps to the release cycle of the OS while Google doesn't do that. That's a separate issue that isn't relevant for the point I was making.

I'm only talking about features that would have to be part of the OS on iOS as well as on Android. There are very few new features of that sort in iPad OS 16. I'm not getting most of them.

I understand that this may be down to hardware capabilities. But Apple does have some wiggle room when it comes to deciding how to implement any new features and how much work to put into making them less resource intensive.

Re: Asus Zenfone 9

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Post by morsch »

craftkiller wrote: post #413
nathell wrote: post #274

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Come rally: https://smallandroidphone.com/

I can't sign up for that because they include a bunch of criteria beyond "small" that I, frankly, do not want. 1. They want OLED which has nothing to do with the phone size. I strongly prefer avoiding OLED because I prefer longevity / not having burn-in. 2. Hole punch front camera: I'd like to avoid any sort of notch/punch/deviation from standard rectangularish screens. 3. 2 rear cameras: I don't care. At least this…

They want a small premium smartphone, and those have been standard features for premium smartphones for a couple of years now. You evidently want to stray further from the premium category, not that there is anything wrong with it -- you make fair arguments.
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