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TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by moolcool »

nemo44x wrote: post #257

Social media and Websites in general are like TV shows or recording artists - they exist within an era and eventually become legacy/classic and irrelevant to the new youth culture. No one wants to engage with the same cultural artifacts of their parents or the previous generation. They want to establish themselves as a distinct cultural era and need symbols, etc that are distinct.

I don't doubt that this is the case to some extent, but I also think that good products (and apps are no exception), once they become popular, inevitably get ground into dust by the unending desire for unlimited growth at any cost.

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Post by 00deadbeef »

nemo44x wrote: post #257

Social media and Websites in general are like TV shows or recording artists - they exist within an era and eventually become legacy/classic and irrelevant to the new youth culture. No one wants to engage with the same cultural artifacts of their parents or the previous generation. They want to establish themselves as a distinct cultural era and need symbols, etc that are distinct.

But iPhones are still cool

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by LesZedCB »

00deadbeef wrote: post #292
nemo44x wrote: post #257

Social media and Websites in general are like TV shows or recording artists - they exist within an era and eventually become legacy/classic and irrelevant to the new youth culture. No one wants to engage with the same cultural artifacts of their parents or the previous generation. They want to establish themselves as a distinct cultural era and need symbols, etc that are distinct.

But iPhones are still cool

and iphone is a teenager

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by hbn »

rr888 wrote: post #226
fragmede wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok has its share of enraging material if you go looking for it. The genius of their presentation is it effectively doesn't exist unless the algorithm decides to show you that content. When presented with that content, if you scroll away fast enough, it won't be presented again.

> if you scroll away fast enough I love that quote, its like being in the jungle and if you can't run away fast enough you'll be attacked by the flesh eating bugs.

It's pretty pathetic how the algorithms were supposed to be this passive thing that just worked and if used properly would be showing people what they want to see. But instead it was so obvious how it works that people became very aware of it and change their behaviour to not give any bad input into the algorithm.

I don't know how many years it's been now that I pop into an incognito window to watch a YouTube video of which I don't want similar videos suggested to be for the next 3 months. Tiktok is the same, where if you see something that doesn't interest you, you have to not only not like it, but also don't give it too much attention or that will be taken as a sign that more of that will keep you more engaged.

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Post by xdennis »

keiferski wrote: post #105

Facebook, it seems, is moving away from its traditional focus on text and images, spread among people who know one another, to instead adopt TikTok’s emphasis on pure distraction. I don't know why the author didn't make the obvious connection here. TikTok's emphasis is not on distraction, but on video . TikTok is successful because it understands the power of video without the legacy mental model of television: longe…

> TikTok is successful because it understands the power of video without the legacy mental model of television: longer videos punctuated by attention-breaking ads. YouTube is still firmly operating in this legacy model.

There's nothing legacy about long videos and it's not television that introduced them.

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Post by xdennis »

onphonenow wrote: post #15

TikTok is pretty diverse. I get zero view / like videos. Facebook got tiring all anyone did was call out / be offended / be outraged. Nothing fun anymore . TikTok has a surprising amount of fun stuff.

Seeing it from afar, basically just Libs of Tik Tok, it doesn't seem that fun. (Although I guess the point of that is to highlight extreme stuff.)

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Post by tzs »

eezurr wrote: post #192
askafriend wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why default to blaming the students/employees? The educational system and employers have a responsibility to be engaging and enriching if they want interest and passion back from their students/employees. I'm not saying there's no problem with overconsumption of cheap media. But I think we're too quick to jump to blaming individuals. We can just as much flip the question around and ask what educators and employers ar…

When you see a polished video clip on the net, it's the cumulated result of an hour or more work for less than a minute of your time. Simply put, it doesn't scale.

I don't think that is necessarily true.

If I spend hours making a video clip and put it up on YouTube it would be true, because no one follows me on YouTube.

The most views anything I ever posted got was just over 100, which was a short video of something weird that happened when I set my water bottle on top of my car that I no longer remember enough college physics to explain [1].

Second most was a water pipe like at the building my office was in [2]. That got a bit over 80.

Third has a little over 50. That was some chestnut backed chickadees landing on my hand to eat peanuts [3]. That's closely followed by some antics of a Douglas squirrel and an Eastern Gray squirrel on my front deck [4]. (BTW, if anyone watches the one with the chickadees, try watching in slow motion or single stepping. Some of them have cool poses that go by way to fast at normal speed to see).

I'm not actually sure why any of those have more than a handful views as they were put there to share with friends.

There are a couple in the 30s, which are the only ones I actually tried to get anyone other than friends to look at. Those are videos of my bike's rear tire on a stand, with a weight on the rim, rotated and allowed to swing back and forth. I posted those to a bicycling group, and asked if it was possible to determine from how long it took the oscillations to damp if my hub was in need of lubrication.

Everything else has been in the single digits.

So yeah, if I put any effort into a video (which I think only the leak and the chickadees one involved anything more than just selecting one continuous clip from something filmed in one take on my phone) it doesn't scale.

But what about people who do get a lot of views? If someone spends an hour on a video and a million different each spend a minute watching it that has scales pretty well. There are lots of people that can spend an hour on a video and probably get people spending years worth of time watching.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tODjTBPPAFg

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUoSotRRVqg

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPgZhSbxU0

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIF7ZLbl_FM

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