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200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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Probably relavent: This is an SSD?! from Linux Tech Tips (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4AKeW0Y-F0)

They introduce in the program PureStorage's FlashBlade, which uses Intel Xeon CPUs as the controller for SSDs. https://www.purestorage.com/products/file-and-object/flashbl...

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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Capacity is not the major problem. It is the $/TB price points. SSDs are still 5x more expensive than HDD for bulk storage. It doesn't matter if you can buy a 200TB SSD if it is 200x more expensive than a 1TB SSD.

HAMR technology is going to give us much bigger HDD. If I can buy a 50TB HDD or a 50TB SSD in a couple years, which one will I buy if the SSD is 5x more expensive?

SSDs make total sense for storing the files you need on a regular basis (e.g. your operating system and most used applications). They are just too expensive right now to store your massive video collection on them.

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #6

I will say, SSD pricing is pretty frustrating. There's a lot of focus on faster and faster nvme that's barely noticeable while actual capacity has really stagnated at around 2-4tb. As someone who is very into photography, it takes not very long to fill 2tb of space. If I could buy a cheap 16tb ssd with fast reads and slow writes I'd be a happy camper but it doesn't exist unless I want to buy spinning disks (I don't)

I had big hopes for Samsung’s QVO line but they’ve barely done anything with it. They’re often not much cheaper than EVO. And the 8TB drive is almost £200 more expensive than 20TB of spinning rust. I could get 30TB+ storage for the same money.

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #6

I will say, SSD pricing is pretty frustrating. There's a lot of focus on faster and faster nvme that's barely noticeable while actual capacity has really stagnated at around 2-4tb. As someone who is very into photography, it takes not very long to fill 2tb of space. If I could buy a cheap 16tb ssd with fast reads and slow writes I'd be a happy camper but it doesn't exist unless I want to buy spinning disks (I don't)

why don't you want to buy spinning disks

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #6

I will say, SSD pricing is pretty frustrating. There's a lot of focus on faster and faster nvme that's barely noticeable while actual capacity has really stagnated at around 2-4tb. As someone who is very into photography, it takes not very long to fill 2tb of space. If I could buy a cheap 16tb ssd with fast reads and slow writes I'd be a happy camper but it doesn't exist unless I want to buy spinning disks (I don't)

I suspect the reason is due to high base costs. Throwing on more dram chips and a better controller probably don’t cost much, but drastically effect performance. So, the cost savings of a simplified drive may only be a few dollars.

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #6

I will say, SSD pricing is pretty frustrating. There's a lot of focus on faster and faster nvme that's barely noticeable while actual capacity has really stagnated at around 2-4tb. As someone who is very into photography, it takes not very long to fill 2tb of space. If I could buy a cheap 16tb ssd with fast reads and slow writes I'd be a happy camper but it doesn't exist unless I want to buy spinning disks (I don't)

I'm curious, do you not buy spinning disks due to the risk of failure?

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #6

I will say, SSD pricing is pretty frustrating. There's a lot of focus on faster and faster nvme that's barely noticeable while actual capacity has really stagnated at around 2-4tb. As someone who is very into photography, it takes not very long to fill 2tb of space. If I could buy a cheap 16tb ssd with fast reads and slow writes I'd be a happy camper but it doesn't exist unless I want to buy spinning disks (I don't)

I had big hopes for Samsung’s QVO line but they’ve barely done anything with it. They’re often not much cheaper than EVO. And the 8TB drive is almost £200 more expensive than 20TB of spinning rust. I could get 30TB+ storage for the same money.

Have you looked at something like Intel 660p? They're pretty crappy as SSDs go, but they're quite cheap (by about 40% compared to what I would put into my desktop, at least where I live).

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #10

> Micron has begun production of the first 232-layer NAND chip in sufficient volume to feed storage partners. How do they manufacture this monster?

Magic (at least as far as I'm concerned). I would love to see an updated version of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFhc8R_uO4

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #6

I will say, SSD pricing is pretty frustrating. There's a lot of focus on faster and faster nvme that's barely noticeable while actual capacity has really stagnated at around 2-4tb. As someone who is very into photography, it takes not very long to fill 2tb of space. If I could buy a cheap 16tb ssd with fast reads and slow writes I'd be a happy camper but it doesn't exist unless I want to buy spinning disks (I don't)

why don't you want to buy spinning disks

Well, for me it's noise, power/heat and shock resistance (in laptops). And these have also indirect negative consequences. For example, an external 3.5" HDD needs an additional power supply and cable in addition to the data cable, which is cumbersome and reduces portability.

Re: 200TB SSDs could come soon thanks to Micron's new chip

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post #6

I will say, SSD pricing is pretty frustrating. There's a lot of focus on faster and faster nvme that's barely noticeable while actual capacity has really stagnated at around 2-4tb. As someone who is very into photography, it takes not very long to fill 2tb of space. If I could buy a cheap 16tb ssd with fast reads and slow writes I'd be a happy camper but it doesn't exist unless I want to buy spinning disks (I don't)

I had big hopes for Samsung’s QVO line but they’ve barely done anything with it. They’re often not much cheaper than EVO. And the 8TB drive is almost £200 more expensive than 20TB of spinning rust. I could get 30TB+ storage for the same money.

That makes sense considering that QLC (2^4 charge levels) only stores 33% more data per cell than TLC (2^3 charge levels). Therefore at best it can only be 33% cheaper/bigger.
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