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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by aaomidi »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74
cosmodisk wrote: post #5

To me, naturist beaches fall under the same category as saunas, when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on. Sure, there's always exceptions, where people see tits and go crazy about it, but in most cases it's completely different. I'm quite glad my country also has nudist beaches for those who want to be naked there.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

Uh… This is a creepy mindset to go to these places with.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

aaomidi wrote: post #81
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

Uh… This is a creepy mindset to go to these places with.

what mindset?

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by giraffe_lady »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74
cosmodisk wrote: post #5

To me, naturist beaches fall under the same category as saunas, when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on. Sure, there's always exceptions, where people see tits and go crazy about it, but in most cases it's completely different. I'm quite glad my country also has nudist beaches for those who want to be naked there.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by orwin »

credit_guy wrote: post #60
speed_spread wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe what OP meant is that there was no media censorship other than political.

And I think the responder is arguing that some media censorship is consistent with the concept of freedom. My freedom to swing my fist ends where your nose begins, the saying goes. I don't like to turn on the TV and get porn content, and especially I don't like my children to be exposed to that content. I'm not opposed to porn content to exist, as long as it is somehow ringfenced from the access of minors. A majority…

I do feel 'porn' as it is understood now is vastly different than what was talked about in the og comment. I've seen porn and I've seen videos of people faking sex on tv as a teenager (erotic movement and nudity, not allow under 16 in my country at the time). The original comment was probably talking about the second one, where the erotism come from the touch, eyes and behavior (and genitalia and boobs, tbh). I agree that most pornography I've seen was too violent and/or disturbing to be on tv(I'm not a consumer, never was really, but i think in my group of friends, Rick roll included porn gif/videos). Erotica however, i wouldn't bat an eye even if showed during the day.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by dalbasal »

rmbyrro wrote: post #59
dalbasal wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree entirely. First, the notion that someone somewhere in society doing porn is bad for the society itself. The desire to shave off societies' "stray hairs" is deeply immoral. It has always has been, but that does not make it right. Second, I strongly disagree that carefree attitudes towards sex/nudity is automatically dehumanising, animalistic or objectifying. Sexuality, the human body, etc. This stuff is dee…

Hey, thanks for adding more perspective to the discussion. I think these are points to meditate on. Clarifying, I didn't mean to express animal/human as a dichotomy. I see it more as a spectrum. We surely have a LOT in common with animals, but it's also evident that we have the freedom to face everything we do in a different way. Some animals will stop feeding their cubs to concentrate only on the strongest one. They…

How do you decide to designate something as more animalistic or human. Is is caring for children animal or human? Being socially pleasant? What makes attending a naturist summer camp animalistic?

FWIW, the majority of recent, western naturist subcultures came from rationalist origins... a sort of late enlightenment movement. They pondered why we behave as we do, and rejected rote knowledge. IE, they thought we culturally avoid nudity today just because we avoided it yesterday. It's a thoughtless, irrational habit.

Being rational, thoughtful and highly evolved beings, naturalists decided they don't have to keep up pointless habits. Humans can decide to evolve by their own volition, their own rational conclusions. This is pretty closely related to humanist thought broadly.

So, why is naturism more animal than human? More importantly (to me), how can mindless adherence to tradition, custom, religion or habit possibly represent "choosing to use our superior faculties and ingenuity" or "evolving by our own volition." it seems to me that conscious, and free choice represents those things much better.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by orwin »

jskrablin wrote: post #66
lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

When some (in this case Communist) party controls all of the aspects of public life and you cannot criticize it ... I wouldn't call that freedom. In fact, Yugoslavia was a one party dictatorship. Some soft porn on TV (probably in the 1980s) or ability to 'sleep anywhere' doesn't really change that.

Let's say that freedom is too big of a word and mean a lot of different things, so let's adjective it.

Let's call it political freedom.

Do having almost no political freedom in the society you live in prevent you from enjoying other freedom?

Well, asking myself the question makes me believe my first thought was wrong and that you are right.

Which is weird because I also still believe GP is right too about his feeling of freedom.

I'll escape with this maybe you agree: as a kid, you are not really a part of the society yet, your parents handle this for you(taxes, responsibility in case of crime, but also voting). So the lack of political freedom, as long as it didn't came with a lack of mean, didn't impact GP as much as it would an adult. The policed society can then allows you more 'freedom' (which i cannot really define).

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by smugma »

lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

I work in California but we have a good sized team (~100) in the former Yugoslavia. The lead person in CA is Bosnian, most of the people we work with are in Serbia, but one team is in North Macedonia.

The way the head Bosnian guy explains it to me is that it’s all about money. People want to be able to eat, buy a car, take a vacation. If they paid well, everyone gets along, there’s no politics involved.

This was really surprising for me to hear. My best friend growing up was Serbian, one of my best friends in college was Croatian. It seemed all they did was talk politics. The Serbian would claim they were being bullied by the world for pushing unity, the Croatian about atrocities.

Here, in Silicon Valley, an actual refugee from the minority group, was looking above it all. I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t see it in the daily interactions of these different ethnic groups. It’s strange but also amazing. My colleague should figure out how to apply his work hard, get paid friendly attitude to create world peace.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by indigo945 »

omnibrain wrote: post #40
benj111 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western mainland Europe is a lot less prudish than the US. In France you get shampoo ads that just casually show a boob, in the day time. And topless sunbathing is common around a lot of Europe.

In germany you get female back and frontal nudity in ads for margarine spread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggzmTZMivA And frontal male nudity in childrens movies (Ronja Räubertochter): https://www.schnittberichte.com/www/SBs/4581/r41.jpg

Germany got a lot more prudish since that movie was released, though, and FKK is also in decline. The American cultural influence plays no small part.

Also, that advert is just "sex sells" style objectification. Not sure I'm sad too see that gone.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by speed_spread »

credit_guy wrote: post #60
speed_spread wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe what OP meant is that there was no media censorship other than political.

And I think the responder is arguing that some media censorship is consistent with the concept of freedom. My freedom to swing my fist ends where your nose begins, the saying goes. I don't like to turn on the TV and get porn content, and especially I don't like my children to be exposed to that content. I'm not opposed to porn content to exist, as long as it is somehow ringfenced from the access of minors. A majority…

Although lacking nuance, your point is clear and there was no need for that dubious holocaust switcheroo you did at did the end.

Keep in mind that there is a vast zone between showing a couple holding hand and random people straight out fucking. What's missing on TV and the Internet these days are tasteful and varying depiction of people expressing their love in wholesome ways. People need references as to what is normal and not shameful. Banning _every_ depiction of physical emotional engagement is certainly not the way to go.

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