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TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by tenpies »

freshpots wrote: post #129
mrtksn wrote: post #96

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I'm not American, most of the people aren't and from our perspective FB and TikTok are exactly the same. In fact, Europeans and British can positively say that FB had a substantial life changing impact due to personal data misuse and political manipulation. It's one of the core reasons most Europeans would like to see their data protected and Tech giants held accountable. Be it American or Chinese or another one. You…

Are you really trying to compare a dictatorship state to America? And I say this as as foreigner....you are creating quite the false equivalency here. But muh both sides....People need to stop looking at things in black and white.

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by nivenkos »

skummetmaelk wrote: post #115
nivenkos wrote: post #107

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Yeah, I don't understand all the negativity here. I met one of my friends on TikTok, on a post about an event going on in the city (when I'd just moved). It's much more social than Instagram, etc. IMO.

Oh my God. You met one of your friends on TikTok and that's reason enough to absolve it of any negatives?

I just think it's less negative than Instagram, etc. IMO.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by throwaway346434 »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #78
captainmuon wrote: post #77

Modern social media leaves a very big gap - that was filled by old Facebook, or to some extent MySpace: The "people directory" where basically everybody has a page, and you can see what friends are doing, or look up acquaintances and strangers. For me, social media feeds were never addicting, but more tedious. I found visiting friends pages and sometimes finding an update, sometimes not, like a slot machine, more add…

“Once the FOAF standard gets adopted, blogs will take over Facebook!” 2006

Yeah. So. What exactly is your point here?

- a distributed, technically suitable protocol existed for describing yourself and your network?

- that you had control of it? And thats... bad?

- that large social networks saw interoperability and decided No! - it would unprofitable if we didnt own the whole game?

Foaf was - and is - a very good vocabulary for a social network. Having a corporate centralist version lead to what exactly? Qnanon? Antivax? Neonazis? Astroturf?

While foaf would not have been immune to this, the seperation between protocol and filtering aggregator would have at least provided a choice.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by fallingknife »

disgu wrote: post #29
timeimp wrote: post #19

I've heard (anecdotally) that the attention span of all the younger users has taken a dramatic shift south. Educators and employers are noticing they cannot keep students / new employees engaged. Makes me wonder what damage is happening, long-term, with all these short bursts of dopamine that TikTok gives it users.

Was there ever a time in recorded history where this was not claimed?

The whole "younger generation bad" thing, yeah. But the specific claim of loss of attention span caused by internet / social media, no. And I think there is something there, because I don't just notice in in the younger generation, I notice it in myself. e.g. I find it very much harder to sit down and read a book than I used to.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by sogen »

sensanaty wrote: post #101
klodolph wrote: post #32

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People have been saying that for centuries or longer. Kids these days have shorter attention spans. People said it about millennials, about gen-x, about baby boomers. There’s a record of people complaining that kids are ruined by their reliance on writing things on paper, rather than slate. There’s a record of Socrates complaining that the written word is ruining people’s memory. The record exists because Plato wrote…

Anecdotally as a zoomer ('98, so I guess that's technically just on the precipice of being a zoomer), I definitely feel like a lot of my friends and colleagues my age have some form of attention deficit disorder, myself included (I've got pretty massive ADHD, but it mostly doesn't affect me other than making me hyper to the point of being annoying to others around me with my constant fidgeting and shifting). It's not…

Curious, what video games?

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by headsoup »

Delwtion wrote: post #157
captainmuon wrote: post #77

Modern social media leaves a very big gap - that was filled by old Facebook, or to some extent MySpace: The "people directory" where basically everybody has a page, and you can see what friends are doing, or look up acquaintances and strangers. For me, social media feeds were never addicting, but more tedious. I found visiting friends pages and sometimes finding an update, sometimes not, like a slot machine, more add…

I thought I would love Facebook but apparently people don't. My family do not share more than a few holiday pictures. No one really shared normal likeable lifevents. WhatsApp groups are totally fine and even showed me how little I care about constant updates from other life's. And no people also don't care what I do. People are busy. Family people think about school issues and handling their daily life and planing a…

Or, like forums with off-topic sections. Slow paced, the shared interests are obvious, you can private chat if you want and you can join multiple forums to meet your needs.

This is only my opinion, but I think forums do everything necessary really, with the only difficult things to manage being:

- good moderation

- site maintenance

Which Facebook et al really fail at with the former. I also personally dislike how Discourse attempts to make forums more like chat apps.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by safety1st »

timeimp wrote: post #19

I've heard (anecdotally) that the attention span of all the younger users has taken a dramatic shift south. Educators and employers are noticing they cannot keep students / new employees engaged. Makes me wonder what damage is happening, long-term, with all these short bursts of dopamine that TikTok gives it users.

I've (also anecdotally) observed this as an employer and in social settings. It's almost as if there's a correlation between being a heavy Tiktok user (who are predominantly pretty young) and having trouble focusing. It feels like a more advanced case of what happens to me when I use my phone a lot for basically any reason.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by skellyclock »

wizofaus wrote: post #54
klodolph wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been saying that for centuries or longer. Kids these days have shorter attention spans. People said it about millennials, about gen-x, about baby boomers. There’s a record of people complaining that kids are ruined by their reliance on writing things on paper, rather than slate. There’s a record of Socrates complaining that the written word is ruining people’s memory. The record exists because Plato wrote…

Doesn't mean it's not true. There's an argument that given the world's population today we should be churning out geniuses (of the caliber of Newton or Einstein or Beethoven etc,.) all the time now, but the fact we're not suggests there's something about the social environment we grow up in that strongly discourages the level of sustained commitment to a particular specialty neccessary for genius to develop. Having s…

We're not producing celibate boys
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