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Re: CircleCI Announces Support for Gitlab

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Post by hawaiianbrah » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 2:00 AM UTC

inferiorhuman wrote: post #61

mtlynch wrote: post #30

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That's fair, but I think Gitlab promotes it more strongly. They're 100% remote, and they publish guides teaching other companies how to replicate their remote-first setup: https://about.gitlab.com/company/culture/all-remote/guide/

I interviewed with Github recently (a pretty mediocre experience overall) and it seemed like they've fully committed to remote work. They don't even bother with on site onboarding anymore.

GitHub has been fully committed to remote work for years before the pandemic. I suspect they’ll bring back on site onboarding at some point, but maybe not. Sorry to hear your interview experience was mediocre. They’ve been tweaking it, and not for the better in my opinion.

Re: CircleCI Announces Support for Gitlab

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Post by forty » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 6:18 AM UTC

criley2 wrote: post #116

inferiorhuman wrote: post #80

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> It seems counter-intuitive but I imagine that not doing CoL adjustments actually lowers total payroll. That's not the problem that forty was talking about. The issue is that when you drop a ton of employees in an area whose wages are well beyond the norm you create larger societal problems.

I don't really think you do. Even poor rural communities have working rich like doctors and lawyers. There are rich rural folk 5 hours from every city. Adding a developer here and there is just a new face of the same working rich, the top 1-2%. In fact, concentrating developers in one place like SF is pretty clearly the far greater social evil than ~evenly dispersing them around the country and letting them live in s…

Well the examples I have seen here in France did not work out so well. There were large arrivals of rich, well paid Parisians to cities like Nantes and Bordeaux, and it completely messed the local housing market, forcing many people who were living there to leave the city because they couldn't afford the rent anymore. Of course it creates a lot of resentment and tensions.

Re: CircleCI Announces Support for Gitlab

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Post by criley2 » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:29 AM UTC

inferiorhuman wrote: post #120

criley2 wrote: post #116

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I don't really think you do. Even poor rural communities have working rich like doctors and lawyers. There are rich rural folk 5 hours from every city. Adding a developer here and there is just a new face of the same working rich, the top 1-2%. In fact, concentrating developers in one place like SF is pretty clearly the far greater social evil than ~evenly dispersing them around the country and letting them live in s…

> I don't really think you do. Even poor rural communities have working rich like doctors and lawyers. There are rich rural folk 5 hours from every city. Adding a developer here and there is just a new face of the same working rich, the top 1-2%. Those doctors and lawyers aren't getting paid big city salaries.

Sure, they are primary care providers making $110k or real estate attorneys making $120k, instead of $400k in private practice in a rich area or partner at the big firm making millions.

But most developers aren't making that either. I get that there are some few who are making $400k to millions, but the median developer pay in every software field according to the stack overflow survey is ~80k.

Your average small town doctor is likely out-earning your average developer, so I think it's a good comparison.

Re: CircleCI Announces Support for Gitlab

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Post by criley2 » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:34 AM UTC

forty wrote: post #122

criley2 wrote: post #116

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I don't really think you do. Even poor rural communities have working rich like doctors and lawyers. There are rich rural folk 5 hours from every city. Adding a developer here and there is just a new face of the same working rich, the top 1-2%. In fact, concentrating developers in one place like SF is pretty clearly the far greater social evil than ~evenly dispersing them around the country and letting them live in s…

Well the examples I have seen here in France did not work out so well. There were large arrivals of rich, well paid Parisians to cities like Nantes and Bordeaux, and it completely messed the local housing market, forcing many people who were living there to leave the city because they couldn't afford the rent anymore. Of course it creates a lot of resentment and tensions.

To be fair, France and the US are very very different. When we talk about rural areas in the U.S., we're not talking about Bordeaux, one of the most famous and prestigious wine growing regions in the entire world, a literally world famous rural area beloved by the elite of dozens of nations.

We're talking about flyover country. The kind of place that rich Parisians would only ever fly over and would never for any reason consider actually going to.

We're also talking about having so much space that the idea that developers could mess up local housing markets is crazy! In the US, packing developers together ruins housing markets (see the SF housing market ruined by tech companies) and spreading them out across the other 49 states and ~thousand+ rural locations prevents most out-sized effects, except in a few prestigious places known for elite vacations.