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How does the claim that animals are sentient make the word meaningless?
Then there's nobody who is not sentient, and we need a separate word for those who can, like, talk and use tools.
I've stumbled upon some of the same thoughts: cows would be fucked if we stopped eating beef; animals wouldn't give two shits about devouring my ass if the conditions were right, turnabout is fair play; fuck crabs; etc. But I also recognize some the points raised by vegetarians/vegans: we do eat way too much meat; we do treat livestock horribly; fuck crabs; etc. And I think the answer is closer to vegetarianism than…
> We should eat less meat and probably far less beef Why beef specifically?
I think in terms of "good for you", it goes from worst to best: beef, pork, poultry, then fish/seafood.
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Then there's nobody who is not sentient, and we need a separate word for those who can, like, talk and use tools.
I have seen the word "sapient" used to delineate the ways in which humans seem to differ from most animals.
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If you're eating farmed plants, then there is a lot of environmental destruction and animal death/suffering behind that, too.
> Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude— as far as is possible and practicable —all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived w…
- "[In college] I used to blow [veg and vegans'] minds with this argument—“Oh, so you say you love cows, but you also want to consign their species to oblivion?”"
First, with that level of discourse, that is one college to avoid. But why does he keep suggesting that a species would disappear just because we stopped farming it? By his own analogy, humans would continue populating the earth if aliens chose that option. Even in the same paragraph he argues it would just mean fewer animals but then proceeds to presume their extinction.
What's wrong with only 1 billion chickens instead of 25? By his future-lives-carry-moral-weight logic we should still be vegetarian, breeding but not eating them, because 250 billion is even better.
Just dumb.
What a load of rubbish. 1. Plant-based diets are good for the environment. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6316289/ 2. Animals are sentient. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494450/ 3. The "thought experiment" is flawed. See https://erikhoel.substack.com/p/eating-meat-is-good-says-the... - good rebuttal here Keeping animals alive in the worst possible conditions on the promise that "we'll do…
If you're eating farmed plants, then there is a lot of environmental destruction and animal death/suffering behind that, too.
[1] https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/where_do_all_these_soybeans_go [2] https://www.iowacorn.org/corn-uses/ [3] https://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-m...
The question comes down to this: is a life full of suffering, torture, violence, and misery better than no life at all? For me, the answer is no.
What about killing for sport or beastiality.
Asserting that existence is better than oblivion is nonsensical. Adding up fake utility values is bad logic.
The question comes down to this: is a life full of suffering, torture, violence, and misery better than no life at all? For me, the answer is no.
A meaningful life is impossible without suffering.
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We're made to have sex too, that doesn't justify rape. We make choices and are responsible for our actions. We can clearly survive without eating meat without any adverse effects. That makes it just another choice we make. We're responsible for our choices and can't get away with vague claims about biological dictates.
`> biological dictates` Note that the point of my response was not the present the decision as a binary but a spectrum. Should we have meat as part of the daily diet, probably not. Should we never eat meat for moral reasons? I don't think that is true. In the most extreme case, I'd argue things like auto-cannibalism are always ethical (You can know that you consent, especially when meat is produced via hypothetical v…
I'm just saying that pointing at our biology as a justification for eating meat and acting like it's not a choice is not taking responsibility. And that's something I don't like in adults.