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Re: Has the world become less colourful?

#141
Colors are trending towards the "may need to sell this kitchen/home/car/thing in the future, so I want to go with a non-offensive, maximally inclusive color for my potential buyers."

If you paint your house hot pink, you're probably not concerned about resale value for a long while.

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

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> I think most people aren’t highly motivated to do that. But they were in the past? I don't know but I wonder why this might have changed.

No, I think people in the past probably just had a weaker preference for designs that go together in color and style.

I think this is part of it. I don't think people (in real life, not in magazines) cared as much whether something "went with" the rest of the room. Like, I'm sure some people did, but it wasn't a normal thing for middle class folks to care much about, as far as trying to make their own house look that way.

There's, relatedly, probably some effect from all those home makeover & house-buying shows, which constantly push "any 'weird' color is bad, and any room without great color coordination is bad, and it's not OK not to mind it". There's a Mitchell and Webb sketch about this, in which two home-buyers on such a show are presented a bathroom with avocado fixtures, and the host berates them over multiple takes because their initial reaction isn't as negative as it ought to be. Fiction, but there's definitely a kind of same-ness to people's reactions to any but a few acceptable colors on those shows.

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

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> white LEDs use a "phosphor", just like fluorescent lights Wow. I didn't know that. So I guess the junction actually emits UV which is converted to visible spectrum? Does that mean they're bad for your eyes if some UV leaks out? How I thought it worked is that different doping materials are blended in the junction to get a mix of frequencies. Maybe that's impossible. And yes, sure for RGB clusters the spacing is obv…

I still find it fascinating how confidently people are willing to put out comments with all sorts of strongly worded claims about things they are not knowledgeable on, that turn out to completely wrong.

> I still find it fascinating how confidently people are willing to put out comments with all sorts of strongly worded claims about things they are not knowledgeable on, that turn out to completely wrong.

On the other hand I find it terrifying how many people will spend their lives cowering in quiet ignorance never venturing anything, and never learning anything, all for the fear of looking foolish.

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

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“Therefore in 1909 I announced one morning, without any previous warning, that in the future we were going to build only one model, that the model was going to “Model T,” and that the chassis would be exactly the same for all cars, and I remarked: ‘Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black.’ I cannot say that any one agreed with me. The selling people could not of course see…

> Beside, color is all in your mind. Out of it, it's just electromagnetic waves. It's like saying that food is just nutrients, or sound/music just vibrations. Color is an experience.

>>Color is an experience.

And where is your experience outside your mind? Whatever they are, where are qualia outside the model of your world? Where is your pain whe you get beaten up?

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

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post #141

Colors are trending towards the "may need to sell this kitchen/home/car/thing in the future, so I want to go with a non-offensive, maximally inclusive color for my potential buyers." If you paint your house hot pink, you're probably not concerned about resale value for a long while.

I feel you've got the thrust of it. I see our manufacturing and boom of middle class ownership starting off with wild color choices only to then find out that it makes resale harder. Every house resold in my neighborhood paints the brick house white.

Also color fades more noticeably adding to upkeep cost. This is my two cents.

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

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> Only by combining these do we trick the eye into seeing "white light" Vast majority of white LEDs are phosphor based and not color-mixing

The decorative programmable-color LED strips and such use RGB LEDs.

This is terrible for people with glasses btw -- induces much more chromatic aberration than other light sources, and is very distracting and hard to ignore. At the edges of the field of view objects get very clearly separated, with the blue part usually being the most noticeable.

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

#147
The graph presented in the source doesn’t quite give it off, but my dad, an industrial designer and professor, always mentioned how innovations in plastic, materials and manufacturing in the 1960-1980’s made everyone in his field just crazy for all the new colors and shapes that were suddenly possible.

I’m sure a lot of us can recall something similar in more recent niches like UI design. After a period of excitement with all the new possibilities comes a more sober minimalistic function-first approach.

I don’t think this is something to lament - color has become cheap and widely available so it has lost the meaning it had in the 60’s and earlier. If anything, we could be talking about a brief color-heavy time period that is just ending. One in which everything became unreasonably colorful thanks to unrestrained consumption and petro-chemical innovations.

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

#148
Has the world become less colorful? Even if so, this isn't bad.

There's something to be said for a world which doesn't use colors except functionally.

* A red thing is red because it needs to be seen, like a STOP sign.

* A grey thing is grey because there's no need for it to be not grey.

I'm fine with either a creative colorful world or a functionally colorful world. Most of my stuff is grey. My glasses are purple, because it serves my interests right now for my face to be memorable.

In an urban survival situation, say, I'd want the reverse: "be the grey man" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcNWAgdQoaw)

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

#149
A lot more products are now built by machines, therefore saving on something like buying more different paint or less time "wasted" to reconfigure the production line makes sense from a business point of view. Thankfully, the real world (sun, mountains, lakes, my shirts) is still colorful as before.

Re: Has the world become less colourful?

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“Therefore in 1909 I announced one morning, without any previous warning, that in the future we were going to build only one model, that the model was going to “Model T,” and that the chassis would be exactly the same for all cars, and I remarked: ‘Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black.’ I cannot say that any one agreed with me. The selling people could not of course see…

> Beside, color is all in your mind. Out of it, it's just electromagnetic waves No it isn't. Our eyes are sensitive enough to detect differences in the wavelengths. Would you say AM/FM radio waves exist only in our mind? No, they have real world impacts, just like color does.

>> Would you say AM/FM radio waves exist only in our mind?

You're tweaking the analogy.

I didn't wrote 'electromagnetic waves exist only in our mind'. I wrote the qualia 'color' exists in the mind as the highly processed result of the activity of certain complicated structures in space-time. Some carriers of these structures, that is some humans that are convinced the idea of science is reasonable, like to call these structures brains. So a lot of people on this planet, but by far not all. Others call them 'soul' or whatever is the currently most useful and hardest to disprove in their environment.

The electromagnetic waves that trigger certain sensors in the eyes and trigger that processing are outside those brains. Or at least those brains assume they are. Assume with more or less good reason. But to complicate the thought, that is an assumption. That is, an element of the mind.

But anyone in their right mind should back away from the abyss of solipsism now, right?

>>Our eyes are sensitive enough to detect differences in the wavelengths So you are not seeing colors, but differences in wave lengths? That maybe, but most of us do see 'colors', that is a subjective perception? Do you see a red rose or a '620 to 750 nm' rose?

Sorry, but I just love to ask people, what is 'red'? Just describe it, can't be that hard.

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