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Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by thfuran »

cowtools wrote: post #271
thfuran wrote: post #185

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No, it should be pretty easy to effectively end them. Just make it illegal to possess, buy, or sell them and suddenly all the corporate interest vanishes, the exchanges disappear, and all the crypto bros quiet down. Sure, some people would still use them but it'd be a rounding error compared to current adoption.

>Just make it illegal to possess, buy, or sell them How do you enforce that? This would just drive everyone to KYC-less exchanges. >corporate interest vanishes I welcome the abolishment of corporate investment. This wave of corporate dollars have only served to distract, hijack, and pevert the true purpose of cryptocurrency. >the exchanges disappear The exchanges disappear? It seems like it would be pretty simple to…

>How do you enforce that?

You'd barely need to. Stores aren't going to accept crypto if it's illegal, Visa's not going to keep issuing their crypto cards, Robinhood isn't going to let people buy and sell. All the means by which the vast majority of people who have or use btc use it would go away.

> It seems like it would be pretty simple to set up an exchange as an onion service.

Pick ten people off the street. How many do you think know what that means? If you guessed more than 0, you're living in a bubble.

Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by mattnewton »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #288
rat87 wrote: post #268

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It would be absolutely insane to link overturning Roe to Reid's decision. Everyone already knew McConnell would have gotten rid of it anyway the second a supreme court justice was fillibustered. Look at his actions in the Garland and Barrett nominations, compared to that getting rid of the fillibuster for judges is peanuts. The only mistake Reid made was not to do away with the fillibuster fully

If you threaten to do something and don't follow through on your threats, they have no more meaning. McConnell and his party apparently had a similar situation 10 years before and did not throw out the filibuster.

It wasn’t the same situation because there wasnt a court majority at stake. Unless not voting on the Supreme Court nominee’s of Obama was also because of Reid’s actions?

Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by koheripbal »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #334
BobbyJo wrote: post #308

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I mean, these people are voted in.

True, the natsec Republican your polity elected did have to overcome a natsec Democrat or visa-versa. I encourage you to attend some meetings of your local party Republican or Democrat (whichever is dominant) and see how the people you get to elect are chosen. What you'll find is the folks controlling that process are deeply under the influence of a status quo and that most unorthodoxy there is very quickly marginali…

Right, but that's a feature not bug.

People who have been involved in politics and have experience with budgets and governing SHOULD be the ones making decisions.

Next time you get heart surgery, ask for the fringe thinking fresh college grad and see how that goes.

Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by camel_Snake »

Pulcinella wrote: post #324
pclmulqdq wrote: post #197

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In 2013, Senator Harry Reid did it for federal judges (and not supreme court judges). At the time, McConnell told them that if they killed the filibuster for federal judges, he would kill it for supreme court justices. In 2017, he followed through on his promise, the orange fool appointed 3 justices, and now Roe v. Wade has been overturned. It would not be crazy to link the overturning of Roe to the 2013 decision of…

The filibuster isn’t even dead. Senators can still get up there and talk for as long as they want (aka what the filibustering actually is). The current filibuster rule is basically a senator just saying “yeah I want to filibuster this” and for some reason everyone just goes along with it.

this isn't quite accurate. The modern filibuster is basically a move to table discussions, and it takes 60 senators to overcome that delay and continue to a vote. The problem is the onus is on the 60 senators who want to pass it, and not the 40 senators who want to delay voting.

In this way it's stupidly easy to block any legislation by telling the other side "I'm gonna filibuster this." and if they want to pass it they need to pull the ~10+ votes and make it bipartisan. This is a lot of work so they normally don't even try.

Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by vkou »

remarkEon wrote: post #374
DubiousPusher wrote: post #328

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I'm open to debate. But I think the OP is erroneous in presuming popular will is expressed in American National Security and Foreign policy and therefore using that to lend credence to this turn of events.

I don’t think that’s what was implied. In the abstract it seems much easier to get alignment on a national security question (especially one as cut and dry as this one, which is don’t let your nation’s semiconductor supply fall under the control of a hostile foreign country), than it is to get alignment on a much more ideological and philosophical question about how to solve poverty.

How is this a cut and dry question? By your definition is there any national security question that isn't cut and dry?

Would adding three more carrier groups to the Pacific likewise be a cut and dry question? What about scuttling three carrier groups? What about another three hundred ICBMs to the nuclear arsenal? Hundred-year leases on seven new army bases in Poland? Another trillion or two on building a new fighter jet?

These all seem about as cut and dry. Which is to say, not at all.

It's correct to observe that piling mountains of money into the military-industrial complex tends to have consensus in Congress, but let's not confuse that with the questions having a 'cut and dry' answer.

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Post by thereare5lights »

toolz wrote: post #304
californical wrote: post #228

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Poor children are still eligible? Nobody is going hungry

so many "think of the children" arguments without even addressing the fact that literally no one starves in the U.S. for lack of food availability (mental issues can and do lead to starvation though, unfortunately). I for one don't think the federal government should have anything to do with our school systems. That is not their expertise, not their domain and they don't need any temptations or distractions to use th…

> that literally no one starves in the U.S. for lack of food availability

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...

The metric of whether or not someone literally dies of starvation is a pathetic metric.

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Post by QuarterReptile »

Jensson wrote: post #373
mathattack wrote: post #365

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You’re suggesting that buying free lunches for the 92% of students who don’t need it [0] is more efficient than just paying teachers more or hiring more intervention specialists or counselors? [0] https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/2961004596/school...

Many parents who can afford things still don't pay for them for their kids. Not sure why nobody thinks of those kids, there ought to be millions of them...

You think there are millions of US American school-age children whose parents voluntarily undernourish them? Out of 73 million children under 18 in the US, that's at least several percent. Do you have a citation?

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Post by al_mandi »

bloodyplonker22 wrote: post #124
pm90 wrote: post #20

WaPo article, which has more details about the bill and less details about what different “personalities” are saying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/27/senate-ch... . Overall, it looks great. We absolutely need to fund more semiconductor manufacturing. Losing that ability to China/Taiwan was just a terrible strategic mistake. The US hasn’t lost this battle (over semiconductors) just yet. While curren…

> Losing that ability to China/Taiwan was just a terrible strategic mistake. More like losing that ability to Taiwan's TSMC and South Korea's Samsung. China's SMIC is very far behind and has insignificant market share. Additionally, it's rather insulting to non-communists when you mishmash together China and Taiwan.

Taiwan is right across the border from China. At any point, they can invade and take over.

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Post by DubiousPusher »

brewdad wrote: post #394
DubiousPusher wrote: post #334

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True, the natsec Republican your polity elected did have to overcome a natsec Democrat or visa-versa. I encourage you to attend some meetings of your local party Republican or Democrat (whichever is dominant) and see how the people you get to elect are chosen. What you'll find is the folks controlling that process are deeply under the influence of a status quo and that most unorthodoxy there is very quickly marginali…

People with power wanting to retain that power is not as insightful or surprising as you think it is.

Judging by this threqd, it appears to be to some.

Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by thereare5lights »

californical wrote: post #228
thereare5lights wrote: post #211

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> Semiconductor manufacturing is of military and geopolitical significance so it makes a lot of sense that the government is willing to spend big here. You expounded on the value of semiconductors but you didn't on the value of feeding children that would go hungry otherwise. This is why saying > This is a shallow analysis. rings hollow. The value of feeding the next generation of Americans and ensuring they do not g…

Poor children are still eligible? Nobody is going hungry

If you've ever had to jump through the hoops of these programs like my parents had to, you would know that simply being eligible does not mean that you'll actually gain access to the program nor are you actually eligible if you're poor.

The income requirements often times are far too high especially if you're in gentrifying areas due to cost of living.

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